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Re: Northamptonshire Regiment 1898
« Reply #81 on: Saturday 23 January 10 13:49 GMT (UK) »
There are references to S J Pearsall with M.B.E. (medal card) and O.B.E. (award of Royal Victorian Medal (Silver) ), so he may have been awarded the M.B.E. during the war, and the O.B.E. later on.

His medal card doesn't give a date but he was definitely awarded the 1914-15 Star, and a page on the web lists him as one of the originals:

http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/th/read/DERBYSGEN/2004-10/1097404985

Another web-page lists R M S Pearsall as with the 10th Sherwood Foresters, but I think this derives from a London Gazette error (see below):

http://www.derbyshirelads.uwclub.net/Sherwoods/battalions/10bn_officers.htm


I know both Steve Morse and Andrew Hesketh whose information is on these sites. I can go and check with them to see if they have any more info.


Sidney James Pearsall is in the London Gazette of 3-6-1919 where he is awarded BOTH the M.B.E. and O.B.E. as follows:

CENTRAL CHANCERY OF THE ORDERS OF KNIGHTHOOD.

St. James's Palace, S.W.,
3rd June, 1919. '

The KING has 'been graciously pleased on the occasion of His Majesty's Birthday, to give orders for the following promotions in, and appointments to, the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire for valuable services rendered in connection with military operations in France: —


To be Officers of the Military Division of the said Most Excellent Order:—

Pearsall, T./Qr.Mr. & Capt.. Sidney James, Notts. & Derby. R.

http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/31370/pages/6803


To be Members of the Military Division of the said Most Excellent Order.

Pearsall, T./Qr.Mr. & Capt. Sidney James., 10th Bn., Notts. & Derby. R.

http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/31370/pages/6809



The latter M.B.E. seems to have been changed to award it Richard Montagu Stack Pearsall, whilst keeping Sidney's O.B.E. - which is at odds with the lesser M.B.E. shown on his MIC, but tallies with the later Gazette entry for the Victorian Medal.

Gazette page of revision:

CENTRAL CHANCERY OF THE ORDERS OF KNIGHTHOOD.

St. James's Palace, S.W.I.,
12th December, 1919.

The KING has been graciously pleased to give orders for the following promotions in, and appointments to, the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire, in recognition of valuable services rendered in connection with the war.
To be dated 3rd June 1919.

To be Members of the Military Division of the said Most Excellent Order:—

*Pearsall, T./Qr.-Mr. & Capt. Richard Montague Stack, Notts. & Derby. R.

* Substituted for the announcement which appeared in the London Gazette dated 3rd June, 1919, under the heading " Members"

http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/31684/supplements/15456



R M S Pearsall seems to have served with the 10th Liverpool Regiment. I think even the revision in the later London Gazette may still be in error! His medal card shows him as a full commissioned officer (temporary Second Lieutenant and temporay Lieutenant) It shows him with the MC, and there is some narrative on an O.B.E. Later Gazette entries note RMS Pearsall as being M.B.E. and on the Staff attached from a Service Battalion of the Liverpool Regiment. There is no mention of the Sherwood Foresters.

e.g. http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/31799/supplements/2399

I don't believe that RMS Pearsall is related, at least not closely. He seems to be a noted artist.


So, it looks like Sidney James Pearsall's Order of the British Empire award was in June 1919, but whether it was M.B.E. or O.B.E. is open to debate!


Citations were not published for O.B.E.s Wartime O.B.E. and M.B.E. awards tended to be for continous excellent service in the less combative roles in battalions or other units.



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Re: Northamptonshire Regiment 1898
« Reply #82 on: Saturday 23 January 10 14:06 GMT (UK) »
R M S Pearsall's M.B.E. correction was itself corrected later still!


London Gazette 31-3-1920

CENTRAL CHANCERY OF THE ORDERS OF KNIGHTHOOD.
St. James's Palace, S.W. 1,
31st March, 1920.

ORDER OF THE BRITISH EMPIRE.

AMENDMENTS.

The following amendments to the lists of appointments to tihe Most Excellent Order of the British Empire announced in the London Gazette on the dates stated are notified: —

London Gazette, dated 12th December, 1919.

Page 15456 - For T./Qr. Mr. & Capt. Richard Montague Sttack Pearsall, Notts & Derby R., read T./Lt. Richard: Montague Stack Pearsall, Gen.. List.

http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/31843/supplements/4000


Which leaves Sidney James Pearsall as being the Pearsall in the 10th Sherwood Foresters, and gets rid of the small doubt I had over the correct identification....



The later Medal award to Sidney James Pearsall with the Yeoman of the Guard.

CENTRAL CHANCERY OF THE ORDERS OF KNIGHTHOOD.
St. James's Palace, S.W.1,
12th June, 1958.

The QUEEN has been graciously pleased, on the occasion of the Celebration of Her Majesty's Birthday, to award the Royal Victorian Medal (Silver) to the undermentioned : —

Yeoman Sidney James PEARSALL, O.B.E., Her Majesty's Bodyguard of the Yeoman of the Guard.

http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/41404/supplements/3544




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Re: Northamptonshire Regiment 1898
« Reply #83 on: Sunday 24 January 10 01:02 GMT (UK) »
From the preview of the history of the 10th Battalion of the Sherwood Foresters:

http://www.naval-military-press.com/10th-s-bn-the-sherwood-foresters.-the-history-of-the-battalion-during-the-war.html


I guess that proves he went through the whole war!

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Re: Northamptonshire Regiment 1898
« Reply #84 on: Sunday 24 January 10 01:04 GMT (UK) »
I suspect that "Willie" might get a few mentions in the book...

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Re: Northamptonshire Regiment 1898
« Reply #85 on: Sunday 24 January 10 09:48 GMT (UK) »

More reading matter, great stuff steve.

Our 'Willie' sounds like he might be a bit of a character!

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« Reply #86 on: Sunday 24 January 10 11:18 GMT (UK) »
I don't think Sidney Pearsall's Mention in Despatches link from 1916 has been posted, therefore:

http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/29623/supplements/5945


No details, just a name on a list. Lt. Col. W E Banbury (Commanding Officer) and Captain J W Fisher (Officer Commanding "D" Company) are also of the 10th.


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« Reply #87 on: Sunday 24 January 10 12:42 GMT (UK) »
Did you find the 1891 Census details for Mildred when she is Governess to the Langley family in Wolverhampton ?


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« Reply #88 on: Sunday 24 January 10 16:31 GMT (UK) »
Hi Steve,

yes I did and in 1901 she is in Sheffield but 'gone' in 1911...

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« Reply #89 on: Sunday 24 January 10 17:41 GMT (UK) »
Steve,

If you haven't downloaded the medal index cards for Sidney, PM me.

Phil
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