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Northamptonshire Regiment 1898
« on: Sunday 17 January 10 15:52 GMT (UK) »
Hi all,

New here, apologies if I have posted in wrong place.

Can anyone possibly shed any light on this? My ancestor Thomas Pearsall was in the Regiment. I know he was in India in 1897-98 as he is listed in the Tirah Campaign medal list. In 1901 he was also in India as his daughter was born there/then. Yet in June 1898 he married Alice Jane Humber at East Grinstead Registry Office in Sussex. I wonder - What opportunity did he have to meet her? Did the Regiment return there awhile in '98? Must he have met her years before? Any pointers would be much appreciated.
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Re: Northamptonshire Regiment 1898
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 17 January 10 16:10 GMT (UK) »
Hi stevetewk65

Welcome to Rootschat.  :)

It might be best to have this post on the Armed Forces board.

I can link for you until Scrimmers moves it for you.

Sandy



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Re: Northamptonshire Regiment 1898
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 17 January 10 16:37 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Sandy - it was a toss up if it was 'military' or Northampton'  :)

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Re: Northamptonshire Regiment 1898
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 17 January 10 18:12 GMT (UK) »
A regiment comprised two battalions and a depot. The depot was in Northampton; while the 1st Battalion was in India until 1910. I don't know the exact movements of the 2nd Battalion but they spent some time in South Africa. Men would start in the depot then be transferred to one of the two battalions. But they could be transferred again later. He must have been in the 1st Bn for the Tirah campaign which finished on 31st January 1898.

The only way that he would be in Essex later in the year was if he was either on furlough; or he was transferred back to the depot; or to the 2nd Bn if they were in the UK at the time. Or he may have been transferred to another regiment. Does the marriage certificate say that he was still in the Northants?

Only by finding if his papers survive in Kew will you know the truth. If you cannot get to Kew Findmypast have scanned all pre-WW1 papers and will be publishing them 'by 2011'. If he served into WW1 his papers will be on Ancestry, else they were destroyed during WW2.

Men did not have a right to furlough. If he had less than say 7 years service (after the age of 18) I would discount that theory. With a less than common name you should check FindMyPast for more BMDs.

Another theory depends upon his age. He should have been over 25 when he married. If so he may have elected to go into the Army Reserve after serving 7-8 years in uniform. Army Reservists were recalled in late 1899 during the Boer War. He may then have spent the last of his 12 years service back in India.

I put this on another forum last week. Conditions for being allowed to marry  -

It was from the Kings Regulations of 1912 (amended to 1914), but it would have been similar if not the same in his day. It shows the efforts the army took to ensure soldiers only married 'good' women:

KR 1360 (1912)

Permission to marry will not be granted unless:-

(i) A vacancy exists on the married establishment.

(ii) The CO has satisfied himself as to the woman’s character.

(iii) The soldier, if below the rank of serjeant, has
 (a) £5 in the Post Office Savings Bank
 (b) 7 years’ service exclusive of boy’s service
 (c) Two good conduct badges, or, if a corporal, fulfils the conditions for two good conduct badges.


Ken


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Re: Northamptonshire Regiment 1898
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 17 January 10 18:30 GMT (UK) »
Hi Ken,

Thanks for the extensive reply, most kind. My man was indeed in the 1st Bat and yes his marriage Cert does state he was still in the regiment at this time. Indeed, he was still serving in 1901 as his children were all born in India where he was a 'colour sergeant.' By 1920 he was a 'retired Captain' although I'm not sure if he saw active service in WW1, would he be too old (43 in 1914). Sounds like I need a visit to Kew!

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Re: Northamptonshire Regiment 1898
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 17 January 10 18:41 GMT (UK) »
Hi Steve

I edited my reply a few times.

My GF was 43 when he was commissioned Captain/Adjutant in 1915. It sounds as if Thomas was a career soldier so his Other Ranks papers would be with his application for a commission. WW1 Officer records were destoyed in 1940 but there is a supplementary set of papers - mainly correspondence in Kew. My GF's included two copies of his OR service.

You should check the London Gazette for his officer service, plus the National Archives catalogue.

Ken

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Re: Northamptonshire Regiment 1898
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 17 January 10 18:50 GMT (UK) »
I cannot see anything on the LG.

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Re: Northamptonshire Regiment 1898
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 17 January 10 18:52 GMT (UK) »
I cannot see anything on the LG.

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Re: Northamptonshire Regiment 1898
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 17 January 10 19:54 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for taking the time, Ken. I've looked at a few WW1 service websites and he doesn't appear. Would 43 be to old to fight? Not too old to be 'involved', surely even if not in the trenches?

I'm still very intrigued how he was in India in 98 yet managed to marry (and meet!) a girl in Sussex in June 98 though (and who's family was from and living in Dorset)!