Ernest John OLIVER

[CaroleW]

Hi

I'm not 100% convinced about all the info we have given in view of what you said in your pm - big family etc

Can I ask what your connection is to Ernest?  Are you descended from one of his children?

If so - I think we need to work backwards from that info and check again

[heywood]

Hi Carole,

looking over the information, I think it may be the right one re the continuing of the name. There is an Ernest b 1916 - parents Bignold and Oliver so that would tie in with this.

heywood

[CaroleW]

Hi

In his pm to me - according to a family story, Bill's father in law was the only boy from 13 children.

Ernest born 1916 was the father in law but we have only accounted for 4 siblings.  However, as Bill says - it's possible others died in between time

Whilst the 1895 marriage fits in with the 1911 entry re: years married, it does not fit with daughter Florence being registered as Bignold in 1898.  The 1907 marriage fits that surname

 

[avm228]

I amended my post above re the 1895 marriage late yesterday.  The 1895 marriage, which I have followed up, is definitely not the right couple.

The 1907 marriage seems to the the one, although apparently they lived as though married for many years before actually tying the knot.

Anna

[avm228]

In his pm to me - according to a family story, Bill's father in law was the only boy from 13 children.

Ernest born 1916 was the father in law but we have only accounted for 4 siblings.  However, as Bill says - it's possible others died in between time

Apparently there were six children pre-1911 (of which two deaths), but Ernest jr seems to be the only one in the period when mmn is indexed.  But we don't know what happened to the family after Ernest snr's death in 1918 - if Elizabeth remarried, young Ernest may have acquired half-sisters or step-sisters.

[BILL.Y]

Hi All,

Thanks again for all the effort you are putting into this.  Humble is not how I would usually be described    but it certainly fits at the moment! 

The oral tradition in the family is that Ernest was the youngest child.  And he was the only son.  I'm pretty sure Elizabeth didn't remarry.

[BILL.Y]

So far we seem to have:

1901 census: RG13/2462/92/10
27 Columbia St, Cheltenham

Ernest Jno. OLIVER Head M 23 Labourer, Corporation Gloucestersh. Cheltenham
Elizabeth do Wife M 25 Devonshire Plymouth     (nee Bignold)
Florance May do Daur 3 Devonshire Plymouth   (nee Bignold)
Vera Kathn. do Daur 3mo Gloucestersh. Cheltenham

And in 1911

EJO   33
EO    36
Kate  10   b.Cheltenham
Louisa 5   b. Cheltenham

So it looks like Ernest (or someone else) and Elizabeth had Florence out of wedlock. Elizabeth moved to Cheltn. having married and had Vera.

By 1911 both Florence and Vera seem to have died.

But Kate and Louisa had been born.

My wife also remembers an Aunty Hilda (and I've met Aunty Pat!) so they and Ernest were born between 1911 and 1916

Not upto 13 yet - but the numbers are rising!   

Certainly there are gaps between Kate and Louisa, and between 1911-16.  Twins run in the family so 13 is not an impossible number to contemplate.

Fascinating stuff!  Well, for me anyway! 

[avm228]

I think Vera Kathleen (3 months old in 1901) is the same child as Kate - presumably short for Kathleen - who was aged 10 in 1911.

I wouldn't assume that Florence had died by 1911 - I can't see an intervening death for her, either as OLIVER or as BIGNOLD - and there were supposedly four surviving children at that date, of whom only two were at home.  That leaves two children currently unaccounted for but alive somewhere as at 1911.

One of them I think might be Martha Elizabeth OLIVER, b Mar qtr 1903 Cheltenham.

[avm228]

Having tried and failed to find any evidence of Elizabeth BIGNOLD before her 1901 census enumeration, I now think she was previously married (meaning young Ernest's birth registration was mistaken in citing BIGNOLD as her maiden name).

Marriage, Dec qtr 1893

Thomas Samuel BIGNOLD
Elizabeth MUSSELL

Plymouth 5b 574


This leads us to a possible birth for "Aunty Hilda" using Elizabeth's correct maiden name:

Birth, Dec qtr 1912

Hilda M. OLIVER mmn MUSSELL

Plymouth 5b 374