WW1 records confusion..

[carol8353]

Your next move as Andy says has to be to get your grandparents marriage cert,it should name Alice's dad and then you can go backwards with confidence.

I couldn't see anyone in 1901 that I liked the look of 
But did see a large Stainer family with 6 year old Alice in Rockbourne(near Salisbury)parents are George and Emma.

I won't type it up here to avoid confusion.

Carol

[andycand]

But did see a large Stainer family with 6 year old Alice in Rockbourne(near Salisbury)parents are George and Emma.

Hi
I think this would be Alice Lillie STAINER birth reg Fordingbridge, Dec Qtr 1884. Rockbourne is in the Fordingbridge Reg District.

Andy

[Borley Manor]

On the  1891 census, I found the Stainer family, from Shaftesbury as indicated, there is a Maud Stainer, plus a William Stainer and others, but not utilizing any of their first names i.e. Alice and Richard et al.

Hi Reg

Could you tell us the reference details for this census entry as I can't find it on Ancestry. I hadn't found Alice Maude on either the 1891 or 1901 census and had wondered whether her mother had perhaps remarried and whether William was a step brother and not a Stainer.

A copy of the marriage certificate would give you the father of Alice Maude and then a copy of the 1884 birth certificate would confirm this and give you her mothers maiden name. 

Curiously there is also a registration for a Bessie Blanche STAINER with the same registration details as Alice Maude.  This could be two Stainer families registering their daughters close enough together to be on the same page, or that Alice & Bessie were twins. I have found Bessie in both the 1891 and 1901 censuses and in neither case is she with family.

Andy

    I expect you are now sure of my novice status in tree building, I did, maybe a foolish thing when I began this Stainer research, and that is, eliminating all the Stainers in the birth index from Shaftesbury and it's neighbourhood. I wrote them all down longhand and then tried to work it all out. Amazingly, I find several coincidences of possible twins, and one of a possible triplet birth, and yes, Bessie and Alice, they are registered on the same day as you have found, and so are all these other ones. Maybe they are just registrations from different birth dates though, registered on the same day, who knows without lashing out millions of shekels, this may have to wait a bit though for that to happen..
I have ordered the birth cert copy to prove once and for all that these are the Stainers.
I have also ordered the Naval record for the drowned chap Richard to add a bit of weight to the situation, plus, it is an interesting story that needs more knowledge known. I am trying again for the marriage cert copy that seems to be missing from the files maybe....I did try before and they returned my money as it were, strange and a little sad..
Thanks again for your sterling efforts everyone.
reg
Is all this par for the course in tree building, or is mine different somehow

[forester]

Hello Reg,

It's quite normal.

Families are never as tidy as they would make out. 

Phil

[Borley Manor]

Hello Forester,
    Just telling me that this is normal for tree building does my ego so much good, thanks, I thought I was miles wrong on everything. Incidently though, your avatar of the horse and owner is so much like an old postcard, probably well known, of a dying horse and soldier in the field WW1, I believe it had a comment like "Goodbye Old Chum" or something akin, given to my mother by my grandad years ago, maybe because she liked it, I have it now, stashed away in the attic amongst my souveniers..
reg

[Borley Manor]

But did see a large Stainer family with 6 year old Alice in Rockbourne(near Salisbury)parents are George and Emma.

Hi
I think this would be Alice Lillie STAINER birth reg Fordingbridge, Dec Qtr 1884. Rockbourne is in the Fordingbridge Reg District.

Andy

I came across these Stainers when I did my elimination tactic, I must get a better atlas, most of the place names are not on mine. To be brutally honest, I suspect a great number of these Stainers are actually related somwhere along the way....time will tell maybe, who's going to be a busy bee this year...thanks again
reg

[mmm45]

http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/29819/supplements/10934

Reg
Heres Harrys MSM Gazzetted in London Gazette for 1916.
Rest of stuff in email.

http://www.ams-museum.org.uk/research.htm

You should get some info on AVC here.
From the British Medal Forum doubtful if citation is available and you should check archives from AVC for a unit war diary 5th AVC Hospital?

Ady

[carol8353]

Hi Borley

Did you get those certs yet?

Have you been able to prove or disprove anything.

We love to hear the results of our endeavours here on Rootschat......don't keep us in suspense 

Carol

[Borley Manor]

Hi Carol,
    An interesting meeting with my mother last night, when I showed her the photographs of the C11 submarine and it's crew. She recognised the chap above the strangler looking chap in the middle. He would have been all of 19/20 when he died in the accident, very emotional, although she never met him, or any of his family other than her mum..
    I have received my grandmothers birth certificate a couple of days ago, it marries up with our findings, that is, my great grandparents were named Richard and Sarah Stainer. It was nice to tell all this to my mum last night, I will wait for her to arrive here when the weather breaks, and then show her the tree in all it's glory.
    The Naval Service Record of Richard William George Stainer, to date, hasn't arrived from Kew. I have never ordered anything from there other than this, are they always this slow, it seems like 15 years ago when it was ordered, I have the reference, so an email may be winging it's way this weekend.
    The marriage certificate copy, also hasn't arrived, this is the same as before when it didn't show, I may have to invoke the wrath of the little woman again, works on me......
    When ever I get anything, I will post it up on here, I did join the Submarine Association just to see if anything was revealed, but, nowt yet, although, the Richard Stainer rank of Stoker was an equivalent on petrol engined machines, as the coal fired boilers on the surface ships....

Thanks again to all participants in my quest, I was floundering quite badly before I found you, speak soon..
Borley Manor
reg