Ede family in Epsom, Surrey

[ShaunJ]

Matilda Ede (1851) appears to have married William Stacey in Croydon RD in 4Q 1874 (2a 399).  There is a probable 1881 census listing for them in Ewell - William is a coachman born in Winchester.
RG11/762 f67 p15

[ShaunJ]

1891 Robert and Matilda Stacey - Upper Downs Road RG12/ 546 f105 p7

[Just Claire]

Hi Brian

Many thanks for your help.  I've found the Henry Fensham and his wife Caroline A.R. Fensham in the1851 census on Epsom Common but do you think it also says Eliza Ede, relationship to head, 'wife'?  How come the enumerator recorded 2 wives for him in the same household?!

Eliza Duke had a sister called Caroline so I wondered if Henry's wife's maiden name was Duke but I found them marriage for Henry and Caroline

Apr-Jun 1844 vol 2 page 75 Holborn
Henry Fensham to Caroline Amelia Rachel Willshire

The children shown on the census as

George Fensham born c. 1847 Epsom, Surrey age 4
Thomas Fensham born c. 1849 Epsom, Surrey age 16months

tie in with Eliza Ede's children

George Ede born 10/5/1847 Epsom, Surrey
Thomas Ede born 20/9/1849 Epsom, Surrey

but Charles Ede born 20/9/1848 does seem to be missing on that 1851and not with his mother if the George and Thomas Fensham are actually George and Thomas Ede.  Perhaps Charles Ede did not survive infancy?

But who is the Caroline Fensham?! I did not have a Caroline Ede as a daughter of George Ede and Eliza Duke at all!  She must be Henry and Caroline's 6mths old daughter but why put Eliza Ede above Caroline when completing the form?

Also why would Eliza Ede be living with Henry and Caroline and their baby Caroline and Henry's 2 nieces?  It does not show her as a nurse of any sort or give her any occupation that might indicate what she was doing there.

Thank you for your help with this as with Ancestry's transcription error I don't think I would have found her.  I have posted an update on Ancestry to point out their error.

I've got Matilda Ede's birth certificate and it says birth date 9/10/1851 and not the data as stated in her baptism record. Her Dad George Ede was shown as a Labourer and her mother was Eliza Ede nee Duke.

I've got Thomas Ede's marriage certificate to Susan Reddick and it says his father is George Ede a Game Keeper.  It does not show that he is dead but I thought from census reports that Eliza Ede appeared as a widow before 12 Jan 1873.  Thomas' occupation was shown as a groom.  I've not got Thomas' birth certificate yet but had his cousin's one for Thomas Dukey Ede son of Eliza Ede nee Chapman.

I met Peter Reid at the Family & Local History centre and he put me in contact with Terry.  It turns out that Terry is related to one Epsom Ede family on the Common but I can't link into them yet! They were very friendly and helpful there!  Thanks for any help you can give!

[bdmayes]

Hello Claire

My interpretation of this 1851 census entry is that Eliza Ede and her two children were merely lodgers with the Fenshams. Eliza is shown as a 'wife' because she is neither unmarried nor a widow. I think the enumerator has also muddled his 'dittos' and included the Ede children below a Fensham name rather than below their mother Ede.  Charles Ede was buried in Epsom on 22 Nov 1849 aged 15 mths.

Brian

[Just Claire]

Thanks Brian for your thoughts on this.  I tried do look for connections between the Ede and Fensham/Duke names to see if there were any but could not find them, so lodging could explain it.

Thanks also for the sad info on Charles' death.

Claire

[Just Claire]

Brian

Where was Charles Ede buried as I can't see him on the Epsom cemetery burial listing on the Epsom & Ewell History Explorer website for Epsom cemetery?

How were you able to find him? Just curious!

Thanks
Claire

[Just Claire]

Hi Shaun

Thanks for the info on Matilda.  Just looking at her records now.

Thanks!

Claire

[bdmayes]

The cemetery did not open until 1871. Charles is in St Martin's churchyard.

[Just Claire]

Thanks Brian!  I did not think of that today.

He must have been born in Aug 1849 if he was 15months old and not the 20th Sep 1849 that I've always queried as the parish clerk recorded 4 of George & Eliza with birthdates of 20 Sep and I wondered if that was true!

Thank you for that. I did not think of being able to check the records for the Church or the date that the cemetery opened, though I was reading earlier about the first internment there, the dates did not hit me that I needed to be looking elsewhere for earlier burials!

Thanks!
Claire