trying to find birth in dunedin *COMPLETED*

[Lucy2]

none any earlier than 1916 ,

Hi

Yes, there was  ... but have managed (thru various means) to rule them all out.   

For me  ... yep, I think the 1905 death is looking best option.

~  Lu

[karenoz]

hi, i just gone through the dunedin cemetries and there isnt really a match for james parents,

there is a john D1892 age 60yrs a carpenter and born in scotland.

they must of left the area.

not having much luck here.

karen

[Lucy2]

Hi Karen

Yes, I'd had a quick look around for the parents too and couldn't see anything that looked promising.   

For Lilly and James' (1897) wedding - have you got the copy of the certificate ... or the "printout" ??

The printout will have (should have) names of the witnesses to the marriage.     *   Can you tell me who they were ?

Just a bit of "shot in the dark" .... but you never know (I've had great results with my own searches at times,  by following up on witnesses).

*    Also, where did they marry ?   (Was it a private residence ?   If so, address could be helpful).

Lu

[karenoz]

hi Lu,
have found a john henderson married 6.3.1862 jane hall in kirknewtown,northumberland,eng. on family search LSD.

gives there ages as john b 1838 and jane b 1836

karen

[karenoz]

sorry i am still waiting to hear back on james marriage, from the relative who has it.

[karenoz]

hi Lu

 

They married in Dargaville and the witnesses were FP Burton of Dargaville (Teacher) and Georgine Absolum of Dargaville (domestic duties). The registrar was A Absolum. I am fairly certain that Lily and James eloped to get married and she was, according to all records, pregnant with Florence at the time. After looking on BDM it looks as though the registrar’s name was Abraham Absolum and it was either his wife (Georgina) or daughter (Dorothy Georgine) who was the 2nd witness. Lily and James probably didn’t even know these people

karen

[Lucy2]

have found a john henderson married 6.3.1862 jane hall in kirknewtown,northumberland,eng. on family search LSD.

gives there ages as john b 1838 and jane b 1836

Hi Karen

Mmmm   ... well, it looks a good possibilty.   

Have you got access to UK census 1871, to see if this couple are "still around" ??     [That might help to rule them "in " or "out". ]   

Lu

[Lucy2]

 I am fairly certain that Lily and James eloped to get married   ....   
Lily and James probably didn’t even know these people  ...

Hi Karen

Yep  ... don't think in this case, that the marriage witnesses names are of any help.

Hmm ... so if they eloped  ... and Lilly was only 16 at the time, then she was probably still living with her family ?
And James HENDERSON has very likely met up with her in her home town ?   Perhaps he was working there (perhaps his parents were residing in that place too ?)

*   Can you tell me where Lilly's family was,  in or around 1897 ?

Lu

[karenoz]

hi Lu, yes i can go to this site  http://grahambould.net/vercoe.htm

this is lilly henderson parents and sisters and brothers.

The photo on the right, of the Vercoe home at Kaihu, was taken in 1902. The names are, from left to right:

Philip Stephen b1890
Ann (nee Thomas) b1859
(front) Doris Emily b1894
(rear) Amy Olive b1888
(front) Norman Edmund b1896
(rear) Philip b1854
Annie Thomas b1893