trying to find birth in dunedin *COMPLETED*

[karenoz]

yes she was only 16yrs , and i dont think he was very nice man, (from what was pass down about him )she was the eldest child.
but saying all that we just dont know,the whys.

thanks
karen

[Lucy2]

Yes, I'd remembered she was very young.   

Hmm  ... just having a think about how best to help with this.

The peculiar thing about these marriages between young girls and older men, is very often the man "still told fibs" about his correct age. !!   (He may have been even older than 33).        

Will have a look at the microfiche index in the next day or so and see if there's a James HENDERSON birth reg'd. at Dunedin.

*  I'm guessing you don't have birth printouts for any of his children, which might help clarify his birthyear ?

Lu

[karenoz]

hmm hadnt thought of that, i try and see if i can find one ,from other relatives.

i hate to think her parents would of allowed her to marry a man so old. seeing there age,1855 & 1859,hmm 5yrs younger than her mother.

thanks
karen

[Lucy2]

.....  i found his james borrowman bother ,thomas herbert is buried in helensille in 1949 .
i know james lived in that area in 1897. so this could be the right family.

Hi Karen

Just sidetracking for a moment.   RE:   the Thomas HENDERSON buried at Helensville died 1941 aged 60 years - born circa 1881.   [Cemetery record shows him as "Thompson Herbert HENDERSON" - on death index he is "Herbert Thompson HENDERSON". ]

There is also a death - 1949 - for a Thomas Herbert HENDERSON aged 72 years, born circa 1877 -  this one matches more closely, the child born 1877 to "a John and Jane".  [A probate record available, shows he was a timber worker, resident at Mangakino and Cambridge].

Lu

[karenoz]

hmm you thinking this james barrowman might still be our man then,who died 1948. (sounds like its all pointing to him)

that would mean they would of divorced, how would i be able to check this out.

should i just order a Death C of james barrowman.

thanks Lucy

karen

[Lucy2]

Hi Karen

Nah, nah   ... I don't think the "James Barrowman" one is yours.        [I'm sure your one is just "plain" James HENDERSON - no middle name). 

Had just posted the info re: Thomas Herbert / Thompson Herbert" to show that they were two different people and that Thompson Herbert HENDERSON although buried in the area where your James lived, was less likely to be a son of "a John and Jane HENDERSON":

But don't splash out on buying any printouts (certs.) just yet.   

I'll check the death microfiche also (for place of registration) - have narrowed deaths down to a handful of likelies.

Lu

[Lucy2]

Hi again Karen

"Elsie Lillian HENDERSON" was the last child of Lilly Jane and James   ... that's right, isn't it ?   

Her birth was (actually) 1904 (rather than 1905).
[Born on 1 July 1904].

*    Do you know her place of birth ?

*    And can you tell me where Lilly Jane married in 1916 ?
[Had she moved to another district  ? ]

This info might make it easier to find James.

Cheers
Lu

[karenoz]

yes you right on dates of elsie lillian, i am pretty sure they lived in dargaville area.
i have the Eileen rachael marriage C as her being born at kaihu.

karen

[Lucy2]

OK   ... will check out further and get back to you.

Re: "possible divorce"  :    Have you (or family members) got either of the marriage printouts (1897 or 1916) for Lilly Jane ?

If there had been a divorce, then it would have been noted (probably in the form of a stamp) on the 1897 cert.
["Divorce date" (or some reference to a "divorce") would also have been noted on Lilly Jane's 1916 marriage cert. ]   

It was a pretty expensive exercise to obtain a divorce in those days  ... so I think Lilly Jane, was more likely to have been a widow.