Whitebread Holtaway - the FULL story...as we know it!

[louisa maud]

My final thoughts on this after going round and round in circles for what seems hours and hours is

George and Edward shown with grandparents Whitebread 1861 are sons of Eleanor junior, is it possible these 2 young boys were born out of wedlock, surnamed Whitebread at the time of registration, then Eleanor met Mr Holtaway and lived with him, of course he might well be their father but until a cert is purchased we will never know, where is Eleanor junior on 1861?

Louisa Maud

[Lisajj]

Thanks everyone!
On the marriage cert of Edward & Jemima, Edwards father's occupation is traveller.  We know that there were a few travelling salesmen in the family.
I cannot find Eleanor junior anywhere on the 1861 census.
We have thought about getting the birth cert for Edward Bishop Whitebread, but wanted to try and exhaust every other avenue first!
I agree with you Louisa Maude, I think Edward was born out of wedlock and that Eleanor is his mother and she was never married to Mr Holtaway.  I'm not sure if George is his brother or cousin.
Going to speak to my partners mother again this weekend to see if any of this jogs her memory.
I am spent months of trying to figure this out!  I think a job for this weekend will be to order that birth cert for Edward Bishop.
thanks again
Lisa

[louisa maud]

Hello again
I did find 1 Whitebread  on 1861, right age, right place of birth, single but wrong christian name initial, she was in Charing Cross hospital for accidents and general illness, I am sure it isn't her but you can have the reference to double check yourself, I did not put a name in the search, just year of birth plus and minus 2 years, only included place of birth and this was the only one who came up

RG9/57 FOLIO 57 PAGE 5 NO 10 ON PAGE, she seems to be a daughter of the person above on same page but there is only 5 years between them

A good idea to purchase the cert for Edward Bishop Whitebread even if it is to eliminate him

Was a baptism for George ever found?

I am sure all those who have had an impute would like to know the outcome, it is intriguing to say the least

LM

[madpants]

I've already posted the probable births for George and Edward Bishop Whitbread.

[Lisajj]

I am going to order Edward Bishop Whitebreads birth certificate today, so once it arrives I'll let you know what it says!
I am very grateful to all of you who have had some imput in this one.  Its driving us all bonkers!  My other half can't get his head around it at all!  Last night his mother pulled an old book off the shelf that her Uncle Len gave her (father of Leonard T E Holtaway) and it was all about Queen Victoria, published around 1925 I think.  Inside the front cover is written E W Holtaway 1887.  Now we know it wasn't written in 1887 as the book was published until much later.  So I'm trying to work out why 1887 was significant....these Holtaways!  Well it keeps me out of trouble anyway!
:-)

[jennifer c]

Hi the only thing coming up in 1887 seems to be the birth of Amy Whitebread Holtaway. Perhaps it was AW and not EW?

Jennifer

[louisa maud]

Amy is the daughter of Edward and Jemima who married in 1886
Edward died in 1927
Can't see what 1887 means at the moment

LM

[Lisajj]

OK, the birth certificate for Edward Bishop Whitbread has arrived.....
...15 March 1859
7 Charlotte Street ()
Edward Bishop
(NO FATHER)
Mother - Ellen Whitbread
(NO FATHER OCC)
Informant: Ellen Whitbread, 7 Charlotte Street, Ca....... Road
20 April 1859

So, I don't know if its him or not.  Going to see if I can find an Edward Bishop Whitbread anywhere else and also Ellen Whitbread.

[Lisajj]

I've just found Ellen Whitbread on the 1861 census living at 7 Charlotte Street, as a lodger with the occupation as housekeeper.  Born in Essex around 1836.  Edward isn't there.  Haven't found a death for Edward either.  I do have an Edward Whitbread on the 1861 with Thomas and Eleanor(Elner) in Great Baddow.  Ellen doesn't appear on the 1881.