Whitebread Holtaway - the FULL story...as we know it!

[Lisajj]

Hi everyone
I seem to have confused people with my last posting, so I thought I'd just tell the WHOLE thing and then see if anyone can help.

It starts with EDWARD WHITEBREAD HOLTAWAY.  The first 'apperance' of this man is when he married JEMIMA ELIZA DRANE ON 14 Sept 1886.  On the marriage cert, one of the witnesses is GEORGE WHITEBREAD.  And his father is named as  WILLIAM HOLTAWAY.  According to the age stated by Edward on the cert and also on every census after that, he should have been born in 1859.  He also states on every census ('91, '01 & '11) that he was born in Islington.  So far we have NOT been able to find a birth for him.  He should appear on the 1861 census, but the only candidate is an EDWARD WHITEBREAD, who was a visitor at the home of THOMAS AND ELNER WHITEBREAD, along with another boy GEORGE WHITEBREAD (this is why I mentioned him after the marriage cert).  On the 1871 census, I found a HOLTAWAY family in London.  The head is William, wife is Mary, son also WILLIAM and his wife ELEANOR (born West Hanningfield) and their son EDWARD (W/N/R?) HOLTAWAY born in Islington.  On the 1911 census he is living in Billericay with his two aunts, MATILDA GREEN and LOUISA TAYLOR.  both born in West Hanningfield.  Both ladies were WHITEBREAD before they were married and also I found them on them 1841 census with THOMAS WHITEBREAD (seems to be the same one as 1861 census).  Thomas & Eleanor (Elner) Whitebread had several children born between 1824 - 1838: Sarah, Alfred, William, Lucy, Louisa, Matilda, Mary, Eleanor and John.  So far I can't find a marriage between William Holtaway and Eleanor Whitebread (or any marriage between any people of those surnames) I can't find a birth of Edward, so don't know who his mother was.

Edward & Jemima had 4 children (that we know of) Amy, Nora Bessie, Leonard and Harold.  Nora married George Johnson and had one daughter (my partners mother).  Leonard married and had one son, Leonard T E, who never married and as far as we know didn't have any children. He died in 1995.  Harold married Minnie Oxley. He died in 1974 and didn't have any children.  We think Amy went to Canada.  And as far as we know Leonard T E Holtaway was the last family member to hold the family bible.

Jemima Eliza DRANE b. 1866 (parents Thomas Drane and Sophia Fowler). She had two brothers, Samuel and Charles (b.1860, moved to Canada after his wife died, died 1934) and a sister Emily.  We know nothing of Samuel or of Emily.  Charles married Sarah Whitebread (not the same Sarah as above, but possibly related) and they had several children: Emily (b.1882 went to Canada with her father), Maude (b.1887), Ada (b.1889), Bertha (b.1891), Daisy (b.1897), Lillian (b.1898 married Nora Bessie's husband after Nora died during child birth and raised the daughter) and Fred (b.1900 and also went to Canada with his father).  On the 1911 census Lillian and Daisy were in North Surrey Industrial School.  We don't know what happened to Maude or Ada. Bertha married Arthur Bell and they had a daughter Marjorie.  Daisy married Fred Baker and they had two children.

My MAIN question is WHO were the parents of Edward Whitebread Holtaway?  Does anyone know or can anyone else work it out?
Please note that Holtaway is transcribed as HOLLOWAY a lot of the time, especially on ancestry.

Confused???  If anyone can help me figure this one out then I will happily pass on my "Miss Marple" hat!

Lisa :-)

[louisa maud]

Just a thought, did Leonard from Canvey leave a will, if so whoever benefited should have the bible, it would be worth checking up  to find if he did

Louisa Maud

[jorose]

Well, I can find Amy:
http://vitalstats.gov.mb.ca/Query.php
 - married in Manitoba in 1912 to Edward Keresman.

What was the occupation of William Holtaway given as on Edward's marriage certificate, and does it match with the ones you found in the 1871 census?

[snowball]

Hi,
Not sure if this helps, but here's Leonard Whitebread Holtaway, b circa 1892, taking up a clerical job at the National Gallery in 1932: http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/33853/pages/5151 (near top of column 1).
Regards
Rob

[madpants]

It's a long shot but have you looked at

Birth June Q 1859
Edward Bishop Whitbread
Islington 1b 179

[madpants]

Having looked at the 1861 census you mention I would go with George Whitebread 7 and Edward 2 being the Grandchildren of Thomas & Eleanor

George's birth ref is
June Q 1854
George Whitebread
Chelmsford 4a 123

this at least would give an idea of parentage

[louisa maud]

MARR 14/09/1886
ST Anns Tottenham
Edward Whitebreak 27 bat clerk 20 looks like Suffield  Road clerk father William traveller
to
Jemima Eliza Drane 21 spin 7 Walpole Terr father Thomas Dairy man
witnesses 
George Whitebread
Francis Brice
? Garner
W. Holtaway

I hope this clarifies a few points

Louisa Maud

[jorose]

Hmm. There is a William Bindon Holtaway who d. Pancras in 1900 aged 67.
He is probably the same as William B. Holtaway listed in 1881 aged 49, not married.

I can see them in the 1871 census, looks like "Holloway"; William E, 70, commercial traveller b. Waffham Norfolk, Mary Ann, 70, b. Marcross Devonshire, William B, 29, dealer in athletic goods, b. Marylebone, Elleanor, 32, b. West Hanningfield as you said, "grandson", Edward B, 12, b. Islington.

It is likely that his parents were "William Holtaway" and "Eleanor Whitebread" and he is the one on the 1871 census, but that they never married. I can't find the Holtaways on the 1861 census but some parts of London are missing.

For a birth certificate, how about the "Edward Bishop Whitbread" b. Islington Jun 1859 quarter, 1b/179 ?

[louisa maud]

2 minds think alike Jorose, I am sure he is connected, I would certainly purchase that cert even if it eliminates them

Louisa Maud