marriage GEORGE ROGERSON b. 1859

[florence kate]

It is curious, if Amelia Emma Rogerson was born on 3/12/1881, that her age given at marriage on 14/4/1900 is 24.  That simply does not add up!!  But I'm am fairly sure that Amelia is one of the family I am looking for, and that George Henry, fishmonger,  her father. is the the person whose marriage date I am trying to find, and where this little quest started out from...

Amelia does not appear on the 1891 census for this Rogerson famioly, which is strange, because she would have been 10.  I must look for her elsewhere.

I do not think Richard George Rogerson has anything to do with this particular family.

Florence Kate.

[florence kate]

On further reflection, I looked for Amelia's  marriage, and it appears in freebmd for June 1906, which makes sense of her age 24.

She appears in the 1901 census as unmarried, a border and Laundry Maid not far from home.

I cannot help wondering whether Martha, mentioned in 1891, is  in fact Amelia!!   After all, Mary Ann (1881)gets called Polly (1891). 

Florence Kate.

[louisa maud]

Have you dismissed the marriage to Mary Keen?

Louisa Maud

[louisa maud]

Is this of interest
Arthur George Tickell wit to the marriage 1906 married Minnie Chaplin Wandsworth 1900

LM

[Valda]

Hi

I think you have probably dismissed Richard George Rogerson a little to readily.

21st August 1876 St Peter's Hammersmith
Richard George Rogerson 19 Bachelor Fishmonger Shaftesbury Road West Richard George Rogerson Dead
Mary Ann Keen 18 Spinster 9?9 Black ? Lane William Keen Gardener
Married by banns. Richard George made his mark
Witnesses John Paul Keen his mark and Allyna? Keen

Matching the ages on the 1881 census of the Rogersons.

Amongst the children the couple have on the 1891 census was William aged 7

9th March 1884 St Andrew, West Kensington
William Thomas Rogerson parents George Richard and Mary Anne, 21 Fane Street, father's occupation fishmonger

The others have Mary Ann's name spelt without the e

Frederick aged 5

14th March 1886 same church same details born 16th February (father Richard George)
Frederick John Rogerson Baptism 

Thomas aged 3

10th March 1889 same church same details born 18th February
Thomas Rogerson

plus not on the census

16th October 1887 same church same details born 20th June (father Richard George)
Henry Thomas Rogerson

and

Polly was originally the pet name for Mary. Polly on the 1891 census was aged 14 which would fit with Mary aged 4 on the 1881 census

19th November 1876 born 20th October
Mary Ann Rogerson parents Richard George and Mary Ann, 11 Fane Street, father's occupation fishmonger


and as a matter of interest there was also this baptism at the same church

16th April 1882 born 28th March 1882
Henry John Rogerson parents Henry John and Harriet, 7 Fane Street, father's occupation labourer

13th November 1881 St Andrew, West Kensington
Harry John Rogerson 25 Bachelor Labourer 7 Fane Street  Henry John Rogerson Whitesmith
Harriett Edgson 21 Spinster 7 Fane Street James Edgson Marine Store dealer
Marriage by bann. Harriett made her mark
Witnesses George Rogerson made his mark and Mary Ann Rogerson

1901 census RG13 24 folio 83
50 ? Kensington
Henry Rogerson 46 Head Married Bricklayer Labourer Peckham London
Harriet Rogerson 40 Wife Married Laundress Fulham London
Henry Rogerson 16 Son Fulham London
James Rogerson 14 Son Fulham London
Emily Rogerson 12 Daughter Fulham London
Charlotte Rogerson 10 Daughter Fulham London
Rose Rogerson 4 Daughter Notting Hill London
Sione? Rogerson 5 months Daughter Notting Hill London

Henry was a prisoner in Wormwood Scrubbs on the 1891 census.

I would take with a pinch of salt the father's details on these marriages which seem remarkably similar to their own names and  it might help explain why it is difficult to find these men on earlier censuses. They may not appear as Rogersons. They may not have had legitimate births.



Regards

Valda

[florence kate]

Thank you Valda for a lot of useful information, some of which I had also received from Louisa Maud via Personal Messages.  The new details I hadn't seen before concern Henry John Rogerson, and those are also most interesting, and are obviously connected since George and Mary Ann were witnesses. 

Yes I did begin to realise after the first few messages that Richard George was likely to be the person I was looking for, because HIS children were the ones I was expecting George to have!!

I said I would obtain a copy of the birth certificate of one the George/'Mary Ann children.   I feel fairly sure now that the pieces of this particular puzzle will fit together as CaroleW, Louisa Maud and you have shown.  The GRO is only interested in online applicaitions now.  Do postal applications still work?  Do I go via the GRO or must it be via the local register office, in which case WHICH one?

Rootschat has been most helpful to me.  Thank you all.

Florence Kate.     

[Valda]

Hi

Unless anyone tells me differently I think the GRO is only accepting online applications. For local registrars follow the links in the help guide at the top of the Surrey board ' A Guide to English Civil Registration'.
I'm not sure one of the children's birth certificates will move your knowledge on any further, as it would seem pretty conclusive that the Richard George marriage is the correct one and you now have nearly all the baptisms of the children. On top of that you have the conflicting details from the Henry John marriage. Trying to find either of these men on earlier censuses, which doesn't seem at all a straight forward task, might be your next step.

Regards

Valda