John MOTT, born c. 1806

[vickifperry]

Hello,

I have no idea where this man came from so I hope this is the right board!

I'm researching John MOTT, born 1806 for a display at work. He was Lord Salisbury's porter at Hatfield House up until 1848, when he was sacked for allegedly stealing beer. He appears to have worked at the house for around 20 years.

In some letters he mentions his wife and son, and I think I have found them in the 1841 census, living in St Pancras, Marylebone,. His profession is given as a porter and his wife (?) is Margaret aged 33 and son (?) is Thomas, aged 11.

I can't find details of them after this. A letter from 1849 gives his address as 'Catherine Street, Pimlico'. I can't find details of them in the 1851 census or after this and I'd love to know what happened to him.

(I've found a family by the name of 'Nutt' in the '51 census- correct first names and ages, but I don't think it's them).


Does anyone know about this family? From the '41 census all I know is that they were born 'out of county.

Vicki
(Hatfield House)

[AMBLY]

Hi Vicki

As much as I hate to say so, I've had a look at the  1841  and 1851 & I do think they're the same family surname NUTT - and  the 1841 occupation for John being Plasterer, not Porter  which compares to the 1851 occupation  - my transcripts:

1841: HO107 / Piece 681/ Book: 6 / Folio: 25 / Page: 46
St Pancras, Middlesex
John NUTT?? 35, Plasterer - N
Thomas NUTT?? 11 - N
Margaret NUTT 33 - N
They are in the same dwelling (perhaps as lodgers) as the family of George THORP, a Painter, and his family. The surname is very unclear, but seems to be 4 letters long and more like NUTT than MOTT to me 

HO107 /Piece: 1533/ Folio: 312/ Page: 3
St James, Holywell, Shoreditch, Middlesex
John C NUTT 44, Plasterer & Moulder, b Kingston Surrey
Wife: Margaret NUTT 40, b Whitby Yorkshire
Son: Thomas W NUTT 20, b Whitby Yorkshire

There is an extracted IGI entry for a Thomas William NUTT born 1830 Whitby Yorkshire to parents:
John NUTT and Margaret.

Cheers
AMBLY

[vickifperry]

Yes I think you're right- clutching at straws I think!

I think it's a name that could easily be mis-transcribed, but on the other hand he could have died. It's odd that I can't find any of the family at all, but then it's difficult when you don't know where they're from.

Vicki

[rosie99]

Hi Vicki

Do the letters actually give the names of his wife and son as Margaret and Thomas ?

Rosie

[vickifperry]

No they don't, so that's why they're a bit questionable, as the '41 census doesn't give relationships, but unfortunately I don't have anything else to go on! But they're listed with him in '41 and I know that he had a wife and son.

[AMBLY]

Looking at the 1841 returns for Hatfield House of Lord Salisbury- doesn't appear to be any John MOTT in the household or surrounding cottages etc.
HO107/ Piece 436/ Book: 9/ Folio: 19/ Page:

This one is interesting though.......wrong occupation (Ind) & probably just one of those 'coincidences' or words etc but:
1841: St James Westminster - in an obviously 'upper class' house  - could it be some sort of Gentleman's club maybe:
A John MOTT 40, Ind - N - in a household which is headed by a Wm HATFIELD  who is followed by a Lord CRANSTOUN and a Lord DOUGLAS etc etc.
HO107/ Piece 736/ Book: 2/  Folio: 22/ Page: 39/

Cheers
AMBLY

[vickifperry]

He is in London in 1841- not all of the servants lived in and he would also have worked for Lord Salisbury at his London residence. The reference number for him in 1841 is HO 107/681/6. p25

I spotted that one too- but it must be a coincidence. Very odd!

[rosie99]

He is in London in 1841- not all of the servants lived in and he would also have worked for Lord Salisbury at his London residence. The reference number for him in 1841 is HO 107/681/6. p25

I spotted that one too- but it must be a coincidence. Very odd!

I thought you had discounted that one after Amblys post 

Rosie

[vickifperry]

I discounted the 'Nutt' family from the 1851 census. They are living in Prince Street, St Leonard Shoreditch.

Sorry to be confusing- just to clarify- I have them in 1841 (when I know that he was working for Lord Salisbury in London), but not in 1851. I thought that there was a possiblility for them in 1851, but discounted them (the Nutt family).

Vicki