Matthew MUIR death in Mauchline 1802

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Can anyone tell me how I would find more information on the Matthew MUIR  burried 7th April 1802 in Mauchline...... I believe he could be my GGGGrandfather  who  married Janet CAMPBELL in 1778 in Mauchline .... Marriage record  says Matthew from Mauchline Janet from Loudoun...

Matthew and Janet  are my Brick Walls...  I can prove everthing from them till now... but we stop with the marriage in 1778   NO parents mentioned on the registration...

I cant find  a death for either..... this one in 1802 would seem tofit... but I cant find a MI in the Grave yard

any suggestions

Jan.

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Hi Jan

I have one line that stops like that in Kirkcudbrightshire but I'm bashing away at it using the Kirk Sessions records (they'll be at NAS in Edinburgh and possibly a copy locally)*,  wills, old newspapers and local archives.

Also, if they used the traditional naming pattern for their children, this might give you some leads.


Regards


Gadget


* not sure where you live as it's not on your details and it might not be easy for you to get sight of these.  I've spent holidays in Edinburgh and South West Scotland so that I could look for info. Other idea is to use a professional genealogist from the area but this can become expensive.

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Thanks for the Reply
I am in Australia... so a little hard to do research in Scotland..

The naming Pattern if used would suggest  Matthew's Parents were Matthew and Janet...and Janet's Parents James and Jean

I have found a birth for a Janet CAMPBELL in Loudoun with Parents James CAMPBELL and Jean YOUNG  in 1760 this would fit...but no proof...

Matthew on the other hand  Stories passed down to a cousin is said she is decended from a long line of Matthews back to Robert MUIR and Mary FAIRSERVICE................this is correct in her line  but we can prove only back to Matthew and Janet CAMPBELL

If this Matthew (Janet CAMPBELL) his parents are Robert and Mary  he would have been born in 1735....not impossible as it could be a second marrige forhim in 1778.....  The IGI has the Death of thie Matthew b. 1735 to Robert and Mary  in 1760...age 25... now he could have married and fathered a son before he died..

Checking the burial index the Matthew buried in 1760 only has a Father mentioned ..Robert and the age of this Matthew is 20..so leaves some doubt that it is the Son of Robert and Mary FAIRSERVICE...who would have been 25...............so it is possible that  Robert and Mary's son survived and didnt marry till 1778 or it could be a 2nd marriage as I said...

Matthew and Janet only   had 5 children  Jean, Matthew, Janet ,Agnes and James which is unusual for my MUIRS  most had about 12... which leads you think Matthew could be older  or he died young....

This is why I would like to find out more about the chap who died in 1802... I feel he is our Matthew.... and if Janet was only 42 when he died  she most likely married again...

Cheers
Jan

[Gadget]

If no one else comes up with anything, I'll have a think about this again tomorrow as it's getting late over here 

I'm a bit bewildered by this though:

If this Matthew (Janet CAMPBELL) his parents are Robert and Mary  he would have been born in 1735....not impossible as it could be a second marrige forhim in 1778.....  The IGI has the Death of thie Matthew b. 1735 to Robert and Mary  in 1760...age 25... now he could have married and fathered a son before he died..

I think you're saying that the Matthew who married Janet Campbell might have been the son of the Matthew b. 1735 but it's not clear because you also seem to suggest that this one married in 1778 but he died in 1760 


Gadget

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Sorry for the confusion

Matthew MUIR son of Robert MUIR and Mary FAIRSERVICE  born 1735   according to the  IGI  died in 1760

I checked the Burial Record for the Matthew who died in 1760 it only has a Father mentioned and it is Robert.... but the age is wrong... this Fellow who died in 1760 was only 20 ........ Matthew who is the son of Robert and Mary  would have been 25 .... not to say the record is not incorrect...

Matthew who married Janet in 1778  .............no age on marriage record... just of full age... so not sure when he was born............it is possible he is the son of a Matthew  (given the names ofthe children)...there is one born in  1757 with only a Father registered as Matthew... but is this Matthew who fathered the child in 1757 the son of Robert and Mary  or is Matthew who married Janet in 1778 the son of Robert and Mary...  That is the big question

I personally think that Matthew who married Janet CAMPBELL in 1778 is the Grandson of Robert and Mary..... not the son..... and more than likely the Child born to a Matthew in 1757..(only birth likely on Scotlands People) but because I cant find a death..to know how old or who his parents are I can' t claim any link to the Family of Robert MUIR and Mary FAIRSERVICE 

The burial record for the Matthew MUIR in Mauchline in 1802 does not give any information except that he resided in Mauchline.and I cant find any MI for this burial

Hope it cleared it up a bit

Jan.

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I assume that you've tried all the variations of Muir using wildcards and soundex and just Mat* in your searches.  So far I've not found anything new apart from the marriage of a Mathew Moure in Fenwick in 1750 which is not likely to be yours.

I think you really do need to get hold of the kirk session records for the time of the death of Matthew (1802) and, preferably , for the other dates that you mention.  If you go to www.familysearch.org and do a search on the Library Catalogue for Mauchline, you'll find that quite a few refs come up. If you click on them, you'll be able to find the ref and probably order them from your local FHS (though I did hear that this service was being withdrawn in Australia  )

I' ve checked wills and don't see anything so far.


Gadget

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Have even tried the Ayrshire Family HIstory Center.with no success...I did have a researcher in Scotland helping me... but unfortunately he passed away ....at the time he was checking on my ARMOUR  - MUIR  connection...hadnt got around to the MUIR - CAMPBELL  as yet.... He did find a MUIR connection I didnt know of......................havent contacted anyone else in that respect yet......
cheers
Jan