Art Dealer in 18th Century London

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From The Times 25th April 1853.
On the 20th. inst., at his residence, 134 Piccadilly, after a short illness, Samuel Woodburn of St. Martin's-lane, and Coedgwgan-hall, Radnorshire, Esq., deeply regretted by his family and numerous friends.

Stan

This is interesting.  The 1851 census shows a Samuel WOODBURN, 64, Unmarried, picture merchant born London, enumerated at Coedgwgan Hall, Radnorshire.  With him is a William WOODBURN, 73, brother, unmarried, proprietor of houses born London (plus 3 servants and a lodger).
HO107/2494/241/17.

On the face of it, this is not consistent with Samuel the art dealer being the same chap who had a large family with Hannah nee SAMUEL.

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From The Times 25th April 1853.
On the 20th. inst., at his residence, 134 Piccadilly, after a short illness, Samuel Woodburn of St. Martin's-lane, and Coedgwgan-hall, Radnorshire, Esq., deeply regretted by his family and numerous friends.

Stan

This is interesting.  The 1851 census shows a Samuel WOODBURN, 64, Unmarried, picture merchant born London, at Coedgwgan Hall, Radnorshire.  With him is a William WOODBURN, 73, brother, unmarried, proprietor of houses born London (plus 3 servants and a lodger).
HO107/2494/241/17.

On the face of it, this is not consistent with Samuel the art dealer being the same chap who had a large family with Hannah nee SAMUEL.

Anna yes  it is interesting but the Samuel Family of Liverpool & London book has these family details it's published in 1958.
Details are very vague though.
I saw that he was born in Ceredigion, Wales but thought that Samuel Woodburn was a Londoner.
It's the fact that he was a successful art dealer and collector of his era having taken up the business after his father, John with
his 2 brothers

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Anna yes  it is interesting but the Samuel Family of Liverpool & London book has these family details it's published in 1958.
Details are very vague though.
I saw that he was born in Ceredigion, Wales but thought that Samuel Woodburn was a Londoner.

I'm confused - what's this about being born in Wales?  The Samuel WOODBURN enumerated in Wales in 1851 said that he was born in London.

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The Samuel WOODBURN who married Hannah SAMUEL and had all those children seems to have been a watchmaker born in Liverpool abt 1812-13.

They were in Liverpool in 1851: HO107/2196/393/32 (Hannah's father Moses SAMUEL with them)

Samuel, Hannah and family were still in Liverpool in 1861: RG9/2684/88/1.

Hannah (by now a widow) was still in Liverpool in 1871 with children: RG10/3784/74/22.

 

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In the 1841 Census he is living in Park Lane with a Mary Woodburn, and a Richard and Elizabeth Hale, with servants. No relationships are shown in the 1841 census. He is shown as being born in the county of Middlesex

Stan

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I think the Samuel who went on to marry Hannah is likely to be the 25 yr old Samuel Woodburn enumerated in 1841 as a journeyman engraver, in the household of Thomas Woodburn (65, shoe maker) in Cable Street, Liverpool: HO107/562/10/4/1.

His likely death: Mar qtr 1865 Liverpool 8b 193.

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The Samuel WOODBURN who married Hannah SAMUEL and had all those children seems to have been a watchmaker born in Liverpool abt 1812-13.

They were in Liverpool in 1851: HO107/2196/393/32 (Hannah's father Moses SAMUEL with them)

Samuel, Hannah and family were still in Liverpool in 1861: RG9/2684/88/1.

Hannah (by now a widow) was still in Liverpool in 1871 with children: RG10/3784/74/22.

 

Yes Hannah's father was Moses Samuel and her mother was Harriet nee Israel.

That makes sense about Liverpool because Moses and his mother went there after their father died.

The Samuel Woodburn I've come across seems to have been a well-known Art Dealer & collector although a journeyman engraver is interesting.