Searching for Charles Devine

[Forfarian]

My ancestor Elizabeth TOLAN/TOLLAN  has marriage banns registered in 1853 to a Charles DEVINE in  St John's Port-Glasgow. However no official marriage documents appear to have been submitted.

As statutory civil registration did not start until 1 January 1855, the record of the banns is likely to be the only record that exists.

On Charles' birth certificate in 1867, what date is given for the marriage?

It's very common for a widow to be listed in a census under her maiden surname. Sometimes even married women appear with their maiden surname. This is because legally a woman in Scotland does not lose her maiden surname when she marries. In legal documents she will be named as xxx yyy or zzz, where xxx is her given name(s), yyy is her own (maiden) surname and zzz is her husband's surname. (She will never be listed as xxx yyy zzz - always as yyy or zzz.)

[Forfarian]

[quote author=raonull4 link=topic=426765.msg6522243#msg6522243 date=1529489896
1 possibilty is immigration 1863 a Charles age 18 assisted passage to australia,
charles appears to have been born 1844 so that fits the bill[/quote]Not if he married in 1853 - if he was 18 in 1863 he would have been too young to marry in 1853!

[orkrad]

 Thanks to  all you Rootschatters for your continued interest in finding the elusive Charles Devine. I realised I posted some mis information. The two children of Charles were indeed Catherine and Anthony. Anthony was born in 1857. His birth appears  inthe Catholic registers of births and baptisms for the parish of St Johns Port Glasgow. His parents are Charles Devine and Elizabeth Taler/Toler. The sponsers are also named and the priest. There is no other information.
  Anthony died at two months ( in 1857) and somewhere I have a record that his mother's name was given as Ptolomy ( which could have been misheard by the recorder). Unfortunately I cannot locate it now on Scotlands People under Statutory or Church records.
 Charles Devine still eludes us.  Regards Orkrad

[Murphyz]

In Scotlands People there is a death in 1857 of an Anthony Divine mother’s maiden listed as  PTOLOMEY 574/183 in Port Glasgow. Haven’t accessed the record in case some one else has the details, happy to access if needed, cheers

[orkrad]

 Thank you Murphy. I tried to download the record I remembered with the mother as PTOLOMY yesterday but couldnt find it on Scotlands People. I'm glad to know it exists as I wondered if I was having a senior moment.!  Regards Orkrad 

[Forfarian]

You need to use wildcards to catch variations in spelling.

[Murphyz]

Hiya
in case it is of use to anyone else, Antony Divine birth record doesn't state parents marriage date?

[Murphyz]

And Catherine Divine aged 20 marriage in 1874 in Port Glasgow is not same family as mother listed as Bridget Divine maiden name Tollan, father's first name not listed.
Good luck with your searches

[Forfarian]

Antony Divine birth record doesn't state parents marriage date?

No. Birth certificates from 1856 to 1860 didn't contain this detail, but those from 1861 onwards did, plus of course 1855.