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Quinn's & Allisons from Co Tyrone - Help please!
« on: Wednesday 23 December 09 21:38 GMT (UK) »
Hi, I'm Jane Allison from Wishaw in Lanarkshire.  On my Dad's side 2 branches of the family tree are the above names.   I'm looking for any help you all can give!

My 'original' Quinn's must have left Ireland in the mid 1840's at the latest,as Arthur Quinn (DOB: approx.1823) & Mary Quinn ( her Surname too - DOB: approx.1827) were married at St Mary's RC Cathedral Edinburgh on 05.12.46.

According to family tradition Arthur was from around Omagh. 

A previous family tree drawer (from approx 15 years ago), gives Arthur's parents as :- John Quinn & Margaret Donnelly.  Mary Quinn's parents are similarly drawn as James Quinn & Agnes Donnelly.  Yes I note the repetition of the 2 surnames!

On the Allison side, my Great great G/father appears in Rumford , Stirlingshire where he marries Roseanna McTague(McTaig/Montague) in 1854.  His parents, My Gx3 g/parents, were James Allison & Maggie Baxter who also came to Rumford, along with about 6 other siblings, Joseph, who was older, and 5 other younger brothers & sisters.  From James & Maggie.s Death certs.  I know that James's (Dob approx 1809) parents were another Hugh Allison & Bridget Timmins.  Maggie Baxter's (DOB approx.1811) parents were Joseph Baxter and Mary Kyle.

We knew nothing about where they came from, except for the ubiquitous 'Ireland' on various census returns during the 2nd half of the 19th century.  However, I came up lucky, in that the Hugh (who married in 1854)'s brother Joseph, had a baby born in 1855 in Scotland, and only in that year, the first year of compulsory registration, they asked for the place of birth of both parents!.  Joseph was given as being born in Tyrone, his wife Charlotte Hastie, was given as being from Derry.  So we believe the Allisons came from Tyrone too.

Our problems with the Quinn's and the Allison's is that they probably left Ireland before Griffiths Valuation was carried out, so we cant use that as a starting point for looking at Church records to try and find some written evidence!

Can anyone help??
Allison - Rumford Stirlingshire & Ireland
Quinn - Rumford, Glasgow, Monklands & Tyrone
Convoy - Rumford, Monklands & Tyrone
Burke - Glasgow, Clifden Galway
Duffy - Cleland Lanarkshire, Monklands, Falkirk, Ireland
Curran - Cleland, Ireland
Reynolds - Cleland, Shettleston, Tollcross, Antrim
McDermott - Cleland, Shotts, (London)Derry

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Re: Quinn's & Allisons from Co Tyrone - Omagh area
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 03 April 10 23:02 BST (UK) »
Searching for records of people born in Co. Tyrone in the 1820s, you've probably searched in the Tithe Applotments by now, but if not, I'll give you some names below. You're fortunate that the Allisons and Quinns were said to be from Tyrone -- a county that's covered in on-line and CD-indexes to the Tithes. Check Allison also as "Ellison" and variants, and Quinn as O'Quinn.

Tithe Applotments, Co. Tyrone:

Thomas Alleson - Ardstraw, Binewood  1834
Geo. Allison - Termonmaguirk, Brackey Town 1825
Robert Allison - Aghaloo, Annaghsallagh    1825
Andrew Allison - Clogherny, Coolesker 1826
John Allison - Clogherny, Letfern 1826
William Allison - Termonamongan, Woodside 1826
Wm. Allison - Clogherny, Mullyrush    1826
Francis Ellison - Pomeroy, Moneydidroe 1829
Henry Ellison - Killeeshill, Drumleghagh 1829
James Ellison - Pomeroy, Aghafeid 1829
Jas. Ellison - Pomeroy, Cappog 1829
John Ellison -Killeeshill, Mulinahunch 1829
Robt. Ellison - Pomeroy, Cappog 1829
Thomas Ellison - Killeeshill, Ballynahaye 1829
Thomas Ellison - Killeeshill, Drumleghagh 1829
William Ellison - Killeeshill, Ballynahaye 1829
William Ellison - Killeeshill, Cabragh 1829
William Ellison - Killeeshill, Coolhill 1829
Oliver Ellison - Ardstraw, Strawhulter 1834

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There are over 500 Quinn/Quin entries, including nearly 60 entries for John Quinns. Here are the Arthur given names, since it's less common than John and might have been the name of an uncle/grandfather of your Arthur born about 1823 near Omagh:

Art. Quin - Desertcreat, Moree  1825
Art Quin - Donaghmore, Terrence  1826
Art. Quin - Donaghmore, Terrinee 1826
Arthr. Quin -  Donaghmore, Killeydown 1826
Arthur Quin - Donaghmore, Killeydown 1826
Arthur Quin - Donaghmore, Killeygairlagh 1826
Arthur Quin -  Donaghmore, Killygavinagh 1826
Arthur Quin - Arboe, Mulnahoe 1826

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Quinns in Drumragh parish (location of Omagh):

Jas. Quinn - Drumragh, Dergmoney Lower  1830
Michael Quinn -Drumragh, Tattykeel (Mountain) 1830
Michl. Quinn - Drumragh, Botira Upper 1830
Neill Quinn - Drumragh, Mullagharn    1830
Patrick Quinn - Drumragh, Botira Upper 1830
Thomas Quinn- Drumragh, Backfarm 1830
Thomas Quinn - Drumragh, Tattykeel (Mountain) 1830

Note that there's a JAMES QUINN -- name of your Mary Quinn's father.

Depending on your ancestors' religious denomination -- and Mary Quinn at least must have been Catholic, to have married in a Catholic cathedral -- Drumragh parish Catholic records start in 1846, Omagh (Drumragh parish) Church of Ireland records start in 1800, and Cappagh parish Church of Ireland records (next-door parish with many Omagh-area families) begin in 1752. Drumragh Church of Ireland register entries can be purchased as pay-per-view on the Irish Family History Foundation's Co. Tyrone site: http://tyrone.brsgenealogy.com

You know that non-established church denominations often registered (and were for many years required to register) births/marr./deaths in the official Church of Ireland, so do check Protestant lists even though you may know these ancestors were Catholic. Many Protestant parish registers of the Northern Ireland counties are on microfilm at PRONI. You can check PRONI's on-line church guides to see what years & denominations are available around Omagh.

The National Library in Dublin has an extensive collection of Catholic registers for all Ireland, and their list is also in the National Archives. Both Arthur and his bride Mary may have been Catholic, but there are anomalies in all families and he may have been Protestant while she was Catholic.

Omagh is the county town of Tyrone and has a very nice historical society who recently published a helpful book, "Hatches, Matches and Dispatches," which includes almost 2000 birth, marriage, and death notices from local newspapers, 1815-1873, and a few before 1800. These notices are for people in Omagh and surrounding area, transcribed from the Tyrone Constitution, Omagh News, Strabane Morning Post, Belfast Newsletter and Derry Journal. See  www.nifhs.org/Omagh/publications.html

Another good Omagh-area source book from the historical society is "Tombstones of the Omey" with  transcriptions of 15 graveyards within a 5-mile radius of Omagh, including Cappagh Church of Ireland cemetery whose earliest gravestone dates from 1775. Remember that the old churches usually had common burial grounds for all denominations.

Good luck with your search,
Annie

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Re: Quinn's & Allisons from Co Tyrone - Help please!
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 04 April 10 11:37 BST (UK) »
Annie - thanks for all this info. !
Will look at it more closely after this holiday weekend is over!

For info - I have recently discovered that a younger brother in the Allison family - William dob about 1840, gave his birthplace as Tyrone Ireland, on the 1871 Scottish census!

This still doesn't mean the really came from Tyrone - but at the very least, they lived there for probably at least 8 years!

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Allison - Rumford Stirlingshire & Ireland
Quinn - Rumford, Glasgow, Monklands & Tyrone
Convoy - Rumford, Monklands & Tyrone
Burke - Glasgow, Clifden Galway
Duffy - Cleland Lanarkshire, Monklands, Falkirk, Ireland
Curran - Cleland, Ireland
Reynolds - Cleland, Shettleston, Tollcross, Antrim
McDermott - Cleland, Shotts, (London)Derry

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Re: Quinn's & Allisons from Co Tyrone - Help please!
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 24 April 10 11:02 BST (UK) »
Hi Jane

I am also descended from Allisons from Ardstraw, Co. Tyrone. I would be very interested in any information you have on James and Maggie and Hugh and Bridget.

Here's my side of the story. Thomas Allison was born c.1766/7 in Ireland, most likely Tyrone. In 1796 he appears on the Flax Growers List at Ardstraw along with some other Allisons including James and Samuel. Thomas married Elizabeth Henderson c. 1799, who was born c.1778. Thomas and Elizabeth had at least three children at Ardstraw: Frances (c.1800-1867 USA), Thomas (born c.1807) and Elizabeth (1809-1876 USA). The family moved to Wigtown, Scotland in about 1810 where they had further children named Samuel (1811-1882 Selkirk, my 4xgreat grandfather), Robert (1813-1889 Kirkudbright), William (born 1815) and Agnes (born 1816). The family resided at Torhousemuir, Wigtown, where they worked as crofters. Thomas Allison and Elizabeth died in 1843 one day appart from each other aged 76 and 65 respectively.

I am descended from Samuel Allison and Helen Glover's son Hugh Gordon Allison (1845-1922) who immigrated to New Zealand along with his younger sibling Isaiah Allison (1854-1931).

All Allison generations in my family named their children after family relatives, so I am wondering whether the "Hugh Allison" connection means anything in addition to our families both originating from Tyrone.

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Re: Quinn's & Allisons from Co Tyrone - Help please!
« Reply #4 on: Friday 14 May 10 09:08 BST (UK) »
Jane,

looks like we're relatives... assume you're related the Allisons from Shotts?

Anyway, I'm descended from Arthur and Mary Quinn - married in St Mary's in 46, and have them with the same parents. We too have them anecdotally from Omagh, but believe that came from the Allisons in Shotts. Tried without success to confirm this in both Scottish and Irish records.

Have you any idea where the Omagh reference came from?

cheers

Arthur Quinn

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Re: Quinn's & Allisons from Co Tyrone - Help please!
« Reply #5 on: Friday 14 May 10 19:19 BST (UK) »
Hi Arthur - you are right - we will be related!  I am indeed part of the 'Shotts' bunch!  My Dad is Peter Allison, son of Mary Quinn and John Allison who went to Shotts from Maddiston/Rumford sometime in the early mid 20's. 

How do you fit in?  I might guess you are part of the Falkirk clan, but there surely were members of the Quinn 'dynasty' who didn't leave Glasgow for the east!

Love to hear from you!
Janex
Allison - Rumford Stirlingshire & Ireland
Quinn - Rumford, Glasgow, Monklands & Tyrone
Convoy - Rumford, Monklands & Tyrone
Burke - Glasgow, Clifden Galway
Duffy - Cleland Lanarkshire, Monklands, Falkirk, Ireland
Curran - Cleland, Ireland
Reynolds - Cleland, Shettleston, Tollcross, Antrim
McDermott - Cleland, Shotts, (London)Derry

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Re: Quinn's & Allisons from Co Tyrone - Help please!
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 16 May 10 13:39 BST (UK) »
Arthur !
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Speak soon I hope!
Allison - Rumford Stirlingshire & Ireland
Quinn - Rumford, Glasgow, Monklands & Tyrone
Convoy - Rumford, Monklands & Tyrone
Burke - Glasgow, Clifden Galway
Duffy - Cleland Lanarkshire, Monklands, Falkirk, Ireland
Curran - Cleland, Ireland
Reynolds - Cleland, Shettleston, Tollcross, Antrim
McDermott - Cleland, Shotts, (London)Derry

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Re: Quinn's & Allisons from Co Tyrone - Help please!
« Reply #7 on: Monday 17 May 10 09:25 BST (UK) »
Jane,

I'm off the Linlithgow crowd - basically same root as Falkirk folks.

Don't think anybody remained in Glasgow - of Arthur and mary's children, john, hugh, ended up in newtongrange; peter and Mary-ann ended up in Kirkcaldy, Arthur in muiravonside. Falkirk\Linlithgow crowd and youselves are from arthurs line.

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Re: Quinn's & Allisons from Co Tyrone - Help please!
« Reply #8 on: Monday 17 May 10 09:27 BST (UK) »
Jane,

third post - how do we exhange email addresses?

Cheers

Arthur