Moogaloos Scavenger Hunt Part 2... Everyone Welcome To Join In

[dobfarm]

Hi Toni,

The marriage could have been a register office wedding but maybe a parish register! entry & there could be parish marriage entry in the local library or archives at Liverpool that may have more info on also at York. Charles army records or his army company records as to where they were stationed in 1914 (if any) may hold clues.

[Annie65115]

1901 i can find 2 Winifred Wheelers with mother Emily

did you find these Annie ?

RG13;  1940; : 28;  18
Victor Wheeler 43
Emily  39 thus b. circa 1862 Westbury Wilts
Hedley  13
Florence  11
Winifred  8 b. Westbury Wilts 
Frederick  5

Mary says all the other siblings were girls - what if this is Winnie & Emily mayeb young Fred died ?
is this too early for 'our' Emily


 RG13;  122;  108;  67

James A Wheeler 32
Emily 36 b. 1865 Little Holland
Winifred J  1 b. Hampstead




 

1911 - the first Winifred is still at home in Westbury with both parents as above and siblings Frederick and William.

The second, Winifred Jessie, is still living in Hampstead with parents as shown (married 13 years, father a postman).


So no joy there either.

[dobfarm]

Ps

All the Emily Wheeler Parish bapt entries (Or GRO's), areas of parish need checking for marriages of possible Emily wheeler's  to try eliminating them and census for spinster Emily Wheeler who never married. Then need check burials for infant deaths and so on. This is the only way I can see to getting a footing to some real location bearing. Then try and fit it in with all this great info you posters have found or  theories . Also other post replies on other websites of this couple.

[toni*]

The trouble is all we really know about Emily is that she claims to be born 1876 and her father was Edward a hawker and they lived at Holly Street Liverpool in 1914 and in 1909 he was in Walcot Bath where she gave birth to twins Sydney and Dorothy.

We know that Sydney had a sister Joanna b. circa August 1904 and a sister Ellen b. circa 1902 but if they well Joanne, was born in england or wales she wasnt registered unless she was registered under a differnt name
n.b. has anyone searched under infant or female youngs / wheelers births circa 1904 maybe her name was added after - i know her death gives an exact d.o.b but i'm inclined to still +/- a year or 2

We know that Emily Wheeler m. Charles Young in 1914 but she claimed to be already married to him in 1909 when she registered the twins birth.
 
Charles was born 1873 (from marriage) to 1877 from army papers in Islington Liverpool - he seems to be consistent with this, he was a slater by trade but served in the RWF  - he was also discharged on medical grounds although he was declared medically fit 3 months previous when he signed up
Charles claim his father to be Richard

i really think any school records for Joanne and Sydney might help.

And i think the possible death records for Richard Young need following up

we think that Emily had 9 children altogether with Sydney and  Dorothy being the last
we also think the children were all girls bar Sidney
with 2 girls being called Margaret and Winifred

We think there may be a London connection to Emilys family- def. south of Salford anyway!

We have assumed that Charles was probably not the father or the older children pre Ellen in 1902
should we be assuming this ?
if Emily was b. 1876 then she could realistically start having children in 1892 (aged 16) and she had Ellen in 1902 so you are looking at 10 years for births of 4 other children to Emily - all girls

We have assumed that Emily and Charles were not previusly married as they claim to be single on the marriage cert if this was the case though why wasnt they married on the presence of Ellen in 1902 ? - i dont think we can really assume this

[jaywit]

Good resume Toni, problem is we still can't find either of them.
One thing with all this searching I have found my missing Emily Jane Wheeler in 1911 with her 'husband' and 2 children ( one of each) in Surrey.
Another one not married to the man she was with, I think she was married to someone else (Oh and she had named her daughter after her grandmother, the one whose death I cant find)

[dobfarm]

Hi Toni

I didn't real want to get too involed with this Thread!(Though I'm in Yorkshire Liverpool is a little out of my range for archives and libraries) but its seems to be getting to the limits of census and online info.

I follow your line of thinking! There could be a Will of Richard Young and Edward Wheeler also Charles Young 1937.  With so limited info pre 1914 back to 1902/ its the pre life of Emily either with another chap or with Charles but was Emily using the other chaps name and everted to her own at marriage to Charles or was they abroad in the USA. School records are a must!

I'll see what I can dig up in the new year!

[dobfarm]

Iffy ====  but could be


If People writing these Doc's of Charles Young's Birth got mixed up with the Islington Liverpool with Islington London
and The Royal Welsh Fusiliers 3rd (Reserve) Battalion
 Returned maybe from London to Wrexham on 9 August 1914 but moved to Litherland near Liverpool in May 1914 and Charles with his bros and sis's birth place


Both 1881 c

 Richard YOUNG   Head      43   St Pancras, Middlesex, England   Tailor     
 Mary Ann YOUNG  Wife M    42  Islington, Middlesex, England       
 Henry YOUNG     Son   U   20   Islington, Middlesex, England   General Laborer     
 Louisa YOUNG    Daur      16   Islington, Middlesex, England   General Servant     
 Alfred YOUNG    Son       14   Tonbridge Wells, Kent, England   Errand Boy     
 Frank YOUNG     Son       10   Tonbridge Wells, Kent, England   Scholar     
 Charlie YOUNG   Son       8   Tonbridge Wells, Kent, England   Scholar     
 Elizabeth YOUNG Daur      6   Maidstone, Kent, England   Scholar     
 Mary Ann YOUNG  Daur      3   Tonbridge, Kent, England   Scholar     
 Richard YOUNG   Son       1   Tonbridge, Kent, England       
 Jack YOUNG      Son       2 m   Tonbridge, Kent, England 

10 Priory Street Tonbridge, Kent, England

 Edward WHEELER   Head     M   Male   33   St James Westminister   Carman     
 Eliza WHEELER    Wife     M   Female   35   St James Westminister       
 Edward WHEELER   Son  U   Male   13   London, London, Middlesex, England       
 William WHEELER  Son  U   Male   11   London, London, Middlesex, England       
 Elizabeth WHEELER Daughter   U   Female   9   London, London, Middlesex, England       
 Henry WHEELER    Son      Male   7   London, London, Middlesex, England       
 Emily WHEELER    Daughter Female   5   London, London, Middlesex, England       
 Charles WHEELER  Son      Male   3   London, London, Middlesex, England       
 Arthur WHEELER   Son      Male   1   Kensington 


West Side 23 All Saints Rd

London, Middlesex, England

[toni*]

Thats certianly worth following if nothing but to rule them out.
I did find another Richard Young retired army something or other list i think it said, he had a son Charles it may also be worth following these

i still think the marriage certificate gives us a window for Richards death - as posted in part 1
- however they may simply have not said/ not been asked that fathers were deceased

Jaywit thats gerat you have found them 
I found my Wheelers in Wandsworth in 1911 its pre this i am having difficulty, they are not exactly my line in fact my partners 4xgt uncle married into that family but they were rouges and it adds some colour to the tree

added:
its also possible Charles and maybe his fatehr Richard served it he Boer War
Joanna wasnt all that common in the earlier 1900's as a name but could come from Johannasburg (when i say popular i mean as Mary for example  )


 

[Tephra]

It's that time of the week again and here's this weeks Hunt......one to get your teeth into!!

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,426030.0.html

Good Luck and Good Hunting

Barbara

As usual, this Hunt will remain open for any further information which may come in.