Moogaloos Scavenger Hunt Part 2... Everyone Welcome To Join In

[moogaloo]

Going back to what Moog said in the previous thread that Sidney and Dorothy were the youngest children. We know of 2 more born after 1901 but therefore some of the others must have been born before 1901.
So we have various possible birth places for Emily should we perhaps look for any Emily on 1901 with young children who matches with the various births we have found and see if we can follow them through to 1911 to eliminate them.
I'm off to the shops as we don't have much snow but back later.

Hi Jaywit.  I can only summise that there were none born between when my Aunt Joanna was born to when my father and Dorothy were born.  I would assume that had there been others after Joanna and Ellen and before my father that they would also have been with Charles when he came to Salford, Lancashire in the 1920s.  I think my father was about 14 or 15yrs by the time Charles brought them to Salford.  Don't know if any of this helps, but I just thought it might help to avoid pointless searches after 1901. x x

[moogaloo]

Is there a possibility do you think, that my father, Joanna and Ellen lived with Charles all along and not with Emily? x x

[moogaloo]

1881 Census -Found an Emily Wheeler age 9 - an Orphan   

Sir Josia Maso's Orphanage, Erdington, Worcester. 

Could this be her and her father a wishful figure?

Hi.  I'm not sure if Edward Wheeler was a fanciful figure.  It is possible I guess, but from what I can guess, my father must have known about his grandfather at some point as my youngest brother is named Edward.  I know this could also just be coincidence, but it's highly likely my brother Edward was named after his grandfather.  Having said this, my other siblings are Charles, Bernard and Sylvia.  As we know my father is the only boy of the family this rules out any other siblings being named Bernard or Charles, but is it a possibility one could be named Sylvia.  My aunt Joanna also wanted to name my half sister's daughter Winifred, so perhaps this could also be a pointer although my half sister hated the name and named her daughter Donna, but my half sister is not blood related to my father..  So perhaps, if my assumption is correct, the three names that spring to mind are Sylvia, Mary, and Winifred.  x x

[Ebch]

Whoops - I should have put
Sir Josiah Maso's Orphanage , Erdington, WARWICKSHIRE 

[Annie65115]

Anything's a possibility!

The main problem with that or with things in general, (or one of the main problems!) is that we haven't found hide nor hair of the family in 1911.

I've looked at every Sidney/Sydney born in 1909 and none leaps out at me. Ditto no Joan/joannas. As for the parents, Charles and Emily are quite common names and without having a year or certain place of birth, it's like the proverbial needle and haystack puzzle. Nonetheless, it should have been possible to track down the parents if the children were with them - but as I said, there's no sign that I can see of the children. And if they were in a workhouse or hospitalised, they would still show in the census returns. (I did get quite excited over a Charles Young in the workhouse in 1911 but turns out he was born in manchester and there was no sign of any other family member).

As far as 1911 goes, 4 possibilities strike me, or combinations of some of them:
1. The family wasn't in the country
2. The family used an assumed name
3. The family didn't fill in the census or the relevant census sheet is missing/lost/damaged
4. The family was fragmented and would need to be searched for individually - but we've done that and still not found the children.

I did wonder if the children had been fostered out, if Charles wasn't around and Emily was having to cope on her own, but as I say -- no Sidney anywhere ----- I know that fostered out children were sometimes given different names so that's a possibility but hardly helpful.

And without knowing any more about origins etc, we can't confidently say which of the variety of Emilys and Charles on offer pre-1911 are yours, though I'm still drawn to the Charles Young living in Islington, Liverpool, in 1891.

I feel as though I've hit your brick wall, I'm sorry to say, moogaloo. I'll keep an eye on the thread and if I can think of anything else sensible to add, I'll do so.

 

[toni*]

Emily on 1901 with young children .

thats  what i said earlier! 

she should have at least 4 children

mind you if she was lying about her age then it is possible she did have children after 1911

are there other marriages that could tie up with the wheeler/young births?

[moogaloo]

Have to aagree with you Annie.  But I'd still like to thank you and everyone who's done so much searching, even if we haven't come up with anything positive.  You have all been absolute gems.  Bless you all.  x x

[moogaloo]

There is just one other possibility!!  Could Joanna, Ellen and my father have lived with one or other of their grandparents?  x x

[AngelaR]

I don't know about Emily in 1911 but I think it's more than likely Charles was out of the country if he was serving his time with the Royal Welsh Fusiliers.

The reason for his discharge in 1914 not only has the reference to the standard conditions that have been quoted but the officer concerned explicitly wrote thathe was unlikely to become an efficient reservist. He was only trying to sign up for one year when war had broken out, was physically fit and yet they rejected him. What on earth did they know about him that we dont?  

Did we determine whether the National Archives held the pre-war service records for the RWF? If so, it might be worth asking them to look for him provided we can give the right catalogue reference. On a recent email to me they affirmed they were happy to do up to 20 minutes of searching for free