Moogaloos Scavenger Hunt Part 2... Everyone Welcome To Join In

[Lesanne]

1910 Charles & closest to = Emma   Immigration 1877

Charles 39 Eng
Emma 32 Pennsylvania parents from Eng
Alfred H 9 NY
Helen E 6 Ohio
May iris? 4 Ohio
Willard d 1 & 8/12 ohio
Baby daughter 3/12 ohio

[jaywit]

I've run out of ideas again.
There is still the Emily born St Annes London we haven't tied down properly and there is that suggestion of a London association for the Wheelers, but born London a pain.....
Well that's it for tonight for me, see you.

[Ebch]

Page 9 on part 1  I said Dwight Wheeler 37m listed to sail from Havana to New York but did not board - he was an engineer so probably working and
Emily Wheeler sailed from Bermuda to New York with son Wilfred but she was a US citizen. So maybe no need to look at those.

[Lesanne]

  Mine eyeballs..... tried all whichways in 1900.

Interesting possibles... are we sure the peeps we are looking for:-
 were born in England, White or Black as well...

Mary E Orr  b N.Y. May 1889 boarder.  on same page... abt 6 households apart

? Wheeler George 1872 Eng, immi 1888 Railroad Breakerman
 Margaret 1875 Ire, immi 1885
Robert 1892
Eleanor 1897

Born in Louisiana.
Young
Richard 1856
Ann 1850
Emmly 1880
Ella 1882
Milton 1884
Joanna 1886
Walter 1891
Alun (Brother ?)

[Annie65115]

I am attached to those Youngs who went out to NY from Liverpool in 1894 because that is the only Charles Young we've found who has any connection (in the censuses) with Islington, Liverpool; and we know that that was the birthplace given on the army papers of 1914 for the man who married Emily Wheeler.

I haven't seen anything yet to suggest that these are different people.

We know that Sidney was born in UK though there is no sign of him at all in the 1911 census. We haven't found any convincing births for Joanne, and no trace of her in 1911 either. And we haven't found any Charles/Emily couples who look likely in 1911.

It seems that Charles emigrated to USA with his family in 1894. We know that his brother Dwight was back in UK fairly soon as he's in the 1901 census but the rest of the family hasn't been found. we just don't know (yet!) if it's the right Charles - but I suspect it is.

So maybe Charles met Emily in the USA and Joanne was born there; maybe other children were born there too. They must have returned to UK prior to Sidney's birth and they were here in 1914 but maybe they went back to the USA, either to live or to visit family, inbetween those dates and missed the 1911 census.

So it would be really good to be able to check out those immigration to the UK records for Charles, Emily, "Jonanna" and Sidney Young that are listed on Ancestry. Until they're checked, I will carry on believing that the scenario I propose above is a possibility!

[moogaloo]

I've just been speaking to my sister on the phone and she told me she's certain two of my father's sisters are named Winifred and Margaret.  She said she thought they were Wheelers and that it was around the late 1970s when they came to visit my aunt Joanna.  She said they had come from London.  And my cousin told me that his mum went to London to see them.  It does look like Emily perhaps was in London after all at some point.  x x

[Annie65115]

So -- they were Wheelers, and they were travelling to London in the late 1970's -

they would have been quite elderly ladies, I'd guess?

So I wonder when Emily adopted the Young surname - was it only for Sidney after all?

[wifeywebb]

Hi all,

I've been following this from the start,  but have now got completely lost!!!!! (don't think a couple of glasses of wine have helped!!)

Which years are we looking for on the incoming lists? I can have a look now!!

Paula

[moogaloo]

Shaun I think somewhere it says that Charles occupation on the marriage and Sidney and Dorothy's birth certificates is the same -  slater.
I think that is buried somewhere on the first thread, and although I think it says labourer on the WW1 service record the address he gave was the same as the marriage certificate.

Hi Jaywit.  Charles' father Richard was a labourer according to the marriage cert, but Charles was a Private in the RWF, occupation Slater.  I know for definite my grandfather Charles Young was a Slater as my mother told me, and it is on my mum and dad's marriage cert that Charles is a journeyman Slater. This was in September 1939.   It must have been shortly before Charles died that he became a jobbing gardener, and that is the occupation on his death cert, but his trade was definitely journeyman slater.  I don't get the impression that my father was close to his father, which would indicate that he hadn't really had much contact with him before he died and Slater was the last known trade that my father knew about, which is why it is on my parents' marriage cert.   x x