Am in a right mess

[patvp1]

Thanks Ryk and Piglet - Should have done it sooner !!!
Finally obtaine the marriage or Robert Stewart and Janet mcGregor 11 Dec 1868 Muthill GRO386/AO 0014.
Parents for Robert listed as John Stewart and Jane McCulloch..not happy with the John !! as the eldest son was James born 1869 Kincardine...all up they had 12 Children..have not got back to them as have been busy with other stuff..where on earth did the Pedderwick come from  .

Regards Patvp

[Piglet01]

1881 to 2006 the following Robert Stewarts die who are born 1847 to 1849

The one who dies in Logierait in 1907 is a single farmer.
The one who dies in 1912 is a Joiner, a widower with wifes name and parents names unknown.  Informant is a daughter May who lives in London.
The one who dies in 1914, I've highlighted above.  Have ran out of credits for checking on the other 2.. 

Ah - I see you've downloaded the marriage entry, why didn't I think of that? - having an off day.  Good luck  Regards,   Steve 

Robert Stewart age 60 Logierait 1907
Robert Stewart age 65 Dunblane & Lecropt 1912   
Robert Stewart age 66 Comrie 1914
Robert Stewart age 69 Perth 1918
Robert Stewart age 70 Perth 1919

[patvp1]

Problems ...problems....
Cannot find a marriage for John/James Stewart and Jane McCulloch, although..there is a Jane Stewart (pauper) born 1807 Dunblane on the 1851 census, born 1807 Dunblane...
Children - Duncan 1842, Edward 1845, Jane 1847, ROBERT 1849 Mary 1850 all born Stirling.

Will look into this further, as usual it is stinking hot here with BAD humidity, and of course the one room in the house that does not have air-con is where I have my computer  may have to wait until tomorrow..then again !!!!

Regards Patvp

[RykBrown]

Patvp,
Below is what I have on this family which appears to agree entirely with what you have.

Piglet, thank you very much for the effort and the donation of credits to our cause, however I believe none of the above deaths is correct.  I suspect that Robert lived past 1920. (I'm not sure the latest date that SP has death records for.)

Patvp, I completely agree with your discomfort around the recorded names of Robert's parents.  Why would he follow onomastic tradition perfectly for his wife's parents' names and completely ignore tradition for his own parents' names???  There is definitely something fishy here.  What we have here is the civil marriage registration.  If only we could have a look at the Free Church record to compare.

I have been utterly unable to locate Robert in 1851 & 1861.  In 1871 & 1891 his place of birth is given as Logie which can refer to either the village or the parish.  In 1881 his birth place is given as Falkirk which is where he was residing at the time, so I presume that to be an enumerator's error as it's not consistent with the other census records.  And in 1901 his place of birth is given as Cornton, which was a small settlement just north of the town of Stirling (now part of the city), on the fringe of Logie parish.  I interpret the reference to Logie to refer to the parish and the reference to Cornton to be the village, and Falkirk is an error.  So I think he was born in Cornton and either registered in Logie or perhaps may have grown up in Logie.  However, I can find no Robert Stewart even close to his age living in Logie or north Stirling in 1851 or 1861.

I have also been unable to locate any marriage registration for John Stewart and Janet McCulloch nor any record of any other children by them nor any match for them in any census.

Given the conflict between his parents' names on the marriage register and the parental names implied by the names of his children, and given the inability to locate him in 1851 & 1861, and given the lack of any other records of his alleged parents in any census or in the IGI, I suspect he was an orphan.  In which case he may have chosen to name his children after the parents who raised him rather than after his birth parents.  Either that or the civil clerk incorrectly recorded his parents' names.  I don't have the marriage in front of me, but I recall that Janet McGregor's parents were not listed at all in the marriage register.

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[RykBrown]

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As to the name Pedderwick, given the fact that he names his first daughter Elisabeth Bayne after his wife's mother, it would be reasonable to suggest that "Jane Pedderwich" was Robert's mother's name.  But, like you, I can locate no such person.  In fact I can locate no such surname or even place name anywhere in Scotland.  Since the name "Pedderwick" comes to us from the IGI, I suggest that it's a transcription error.  I hope to be able to download the original to have a look for myself.  But I've even searched for any birth or marriage in the right date range with James or John Stewart as father and Jane ____ as mother and looked for any mother's surname that even resembled Pedderwick and came up with nothing.

It's very frustrating for me, because most of the Stewarts residing in southern Perthshire and northern Stirlingshire were descended from Clan Stewart of Balquhidder.  And our clan records are extensive up to 1820, so if we could only get this family back another generation or two then I might be able connect them up with one of the branches of that clan and we'd have another 500 years of ancestry in an instant!

We are chasing ghosts here!


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[RykBrown]

Anyway, here is what I have:

Robert STEWART, b 1848 in Logie (1871, 1891), Cornton (1901) or Falkirk (1881), Stirlingshire, Scotland, son of John STEWART and Janet MCCULLOCH. Occupation: ploughman (1868), farm servant (1871), agricultural labourer (1881), farm servant (1891), cotton work carter at Deanston Works (1901).  Residence: 1868 in Willurdistone (sic, Whirrieston), Kilmadock, Perthshire, Scotland; 1871 in Boquhapple, Kincardine-by-Doune, Perthshire, Scotland; 1881 in East Murdieston (Whirrieston or Munnieston?), Kilmadock, Perthshire, Scotland; 1891 at Broich Cottage, Kilmadock, Perthshire, Scotland; 1901 at 5th Division, Deanston, Kilmadock, Scotland. Robert married 11 DEC 1868 in the Free Church of Scotland, parish of Muthill, Perthshire, Scotland to Janet Hellen MCGREGOR, b 1848 in parish of Muthill, Perthshire, Scotland, daughter of Peter McGregor and Elisabeth Bayne.  Robert’s marriage record gives his parents' names as John Stewart and Janet McCulloch, which does not fit onomastically.  Also residing with the family in 1881 was Janet’s sister, Mary B McGregor, b 1861 in Muthill, Perthshire, Scotland.
1.   James STEWART, b 18 MAR 1869 in Kilmadock, Perthshire, Scotland. Residence in 1871 with parents. Not found in 1881. Presumed to have died in childhood 1871-1881.
2.   Elizabeth Bayne STEWART, b 10 JUL 1870 in Kilmadock, Perthshire, Scotland. Residing with parents in 1871 & 1881. Not residing with parents in 1891.
3.   Peter STEWART, b 2 MAY 1872 in Kincardine-by-Doune, Perthshire, Scotland. Residing in 1881 & 1891 with parents.
4.   Jane Pedderwick STEWART, b 7 FEB 1874 in Alva, Clackmannan/Stirlingshire, Scotland. Residing in 1881 with parents. Residing in 1891 at West Spittalton, Kilmadock, Perthshire, Scotland employed as a general domestic servant to the family of James King (whose daughter Lizzie King was a witness at Jane’s wedding). There is no such place name or surname found anywhere in Scotland as “Pedderwick”.  This is likely an IGI transcription error.  The original record has not been viewed.  See below.
5.   Robert STEWART, b 1876 in Logie, Stirlingshire (1881) or Kilmadock (1891), Perthshire, Scotland. Residing in 1881 & 1891 & 1901 with parents. Occupation: coal carter (1901). Marriage record gives Robert’s place of birth as Deanston, Kilmadock, Perthshire, Scotland.  Robert married in 1899 in Kilmadock, Perthshire, Scotland to Jane Ann Ferguson.
6.   Alexander Byne STEWART, b 1878 in Logie, Stirlingshire, Scotland. Residing in 1881 & 1891 with parents. His middle name is probably “Bayne”.
7.   Janet H STEWART, b 1880 in Logie, Stirlingshire, Scotland. Residing in 1881 & 1891 with parents.
8.   James STEWART, b 1882 in Kilmadock, Perthshire, Scotland. Residing in 1891 with parents.
9.   Mary Margaret STEWART, b 1884 in Kilmadock, Perthshire, Scotland. Residing in 1891 & 1901 with parents.
10.   Isabella McGregor STEWART, b 1886 in Kilmadock, Perthshire, Scotland. Residing in 1891 & 1901 with parents.
11.   Duncan STEWART, b 1888 in Kilmadock, Perthshire, Scotland. Residing in 1891 & 1901 with parents.
12.   John McGregor STEWART, b 1893 in Kilmadock, Perthshire, Scotland

[RykBrown]

Jane Pedderwick STEWART, b 1874 in Alva, Stirlingshire, Scotland. Residence: 1881 with parents, 1901 at 2 Leighton Cottage, Callander, Callander, Perthshire, Scotland. In 1895 Jane was working as a millworker at the Deanston Mills in Deanston, Kilmadock, Perthshire, Scotland.  Married on 15 JAN 1895 in Free Church at Deanston, Kilmadock, Perthshire, Scotland to Andrew WAUGH, b 1870 in Logie, Clackmannanshire, Scotland, son of Andrew Waugh and Elizabeth McArthur. Marriage witnessed by John Waugh and Lizzie King. Jane died 29 SEP 1913, five days after the birth of her stillborn child.
1.   Jessie Ann WAUGH, b illegitimately in 1894 in Kilmadock, Perthshire, Scotland.  Residing in 1901 with parents. Died 1975
2.   Elizabeth WAUGH, claimed in family records to have been born in 1894 and died in 1896.  If so then she was a twin to Jessie and was also illegitimate.
3.   Andrew WAUGH, b 1897 in Callander, Perthshire, Scotland.  According to family records he was born 1887 (sic) and died at age 3 weeks, however, he was alive in 1901 at age 4 years and residing with his parents.  Another Andrew is said to have died during WWI.  Family records are confused.
4.   Robert WAUGH, b 1899 in Callander, Perthshire, Scotland.  Residing in 1901 with parents.  Died in WWI.
5.   William WAUGH, b JAN 1901 in Callander, Callander, Perthshire, Scotland.  Residing in 1901 with parents. According to family records he was born in 1904 and died in 1960, but he is found alive in the 1901 census.
6.   Jean WAUGH, 1901-1995 according to family records.
7.   John WAUGH, 1903-1975, according to family records.
8.   Peter WAUGH, b 1908 and died at 12 days old, according to family records.
9.   Mary Ann WAUGH, 1909-1910 according to family records.
10.   Elizabeth WAUGH, 1910-1980 according to family records.
11.   Corona WAUGH, 1911-1995 according to family records.
12.   Baby WAUGH, stillborn 24 SEP 1913.

[RykBrown]

FYI here is what I have on the McGregors:

Peter MCGREGOR, b 1829 in Muthill, Perthshire, Scotland.  Married on 11 JUN 1848 in Muthill, Perthshire, Scotland to Elizabeth BAYNE, b 1828 in Muthill, Perthshire, Scotland.  In 1841, Peter was residing with the family of Alex Miller in Muthill Village, Muthill, Perthshire, Scotland.  However Peter is shown as only 5 years old at the time.  It’s not known why he was not with his parents or what his relation is to the Millers.  Residing with them was 35 year old John Miller who is again found residing with Peter in 1861.  In 1851 Peter was residing in New Street, Blackford, Perthshire, Scotland and employed as a farm labourer.  In 1861 Peter was residing in Whitharns, Ardoch, Perthshire, Scotland, employed as a ploughman.  Also residing with them was 52 year old John Miller who matches with the John Miller residing with Peter in 1841.  In 1871 Peter was residing in Muthill, Perthshire, Scotland, employed as a dyke builder.  In 1881 Peter was residing in Muthill, Perthshire, Scotland employed as a dyke builder.  His grandchildren, May Williamson McGregor (parents unknown), Peter McLaren, Elizabeth McLaren, and Lillias McLaren (children of Helen McGregor) were also residing with them.  In 1891 Peter was residing alone at Thornhill Street, Muthill, Perthshire, Scotland and employed as a dyke and fence builder.  He was presumably widowed by this time.
1.   Janet MCGREGOR, b 1848 in Muthill, Perthshire, Scotland.  No birth registration has been found for her.  She married 11 DEC 1868 in the Free Church of Scotland, parish of Muthill, Perthshire, Scotland to Robert STEWART (above).  In 1851 & 1861 she was residing with her parents.
2.   Helen MCGREGOR, b NOV 1850 in Muthill, Perthshire, Scotland.  No birth registration has been found for her.  She was found residing with her parents in 1851 and not in 1861.   She married on 22 MAR 1870 in Muthill, Perthshire, Scotland to Archibald MCLAREN.

1.   Peter MCLAREN, b 1870 in Muthill, Perthshire, Scotland.
2.   Elizabeth MCLAREN, b 1872 in Hamilton, Lanark, Scotland.
3.   Lillias MCLAREN, b 1873 in Hamilton, Lanark, Scotland.

3.   Elisabeth MCGREGOR, b 1854 in Blackford, Perthshire, Scotland.  Residing with her parents in 1861.
4.   Peter MCGREGOR, b 4 MAR 1855, Blackford, Perthshire, Scotland.  Residing with his parents in 1861 & 1871.
5.   Isabella Brunton, MCGREGOR, b 25 MAY 1858 in Ardoch, Blackford, Perthshire, Scotland.  Residing with her parents in 1861, but not in 1871.
6.   Mary Bayne MCGREGOR, b 4 JUN 1860 in Ardoch, Muthill, Perthshire, Scotland.  Residing with her parents in 1861 & 1871.
7.   Alexander Bayne MCGREGOR, b 25 SEP 1862 in Muthill, Perthshire, Scotland.  Residing with his parents in 1871 & 1881.
8.   James MCGREGOR, b 11 FEB 1865 in Muthill, Perthshire, Scotland.  Residing with his parents in 1871, but not in 1881.
9.   John MCGREGOR, b 14 OCT 1868 in Muthill, Perthshire, Scotland.  Residing with his parents in 1871 & 1881.


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[RykBrown]

PS - Since I'm not allowed to post my email addy here, perhaps I can post a link to our clan web site: http://chuckspeed.com/balquhidder/balquhidder%20stewarts.html . You can contact me directly through that site or if that's not allowed then just google "Stewarts of Balquhidder Research Group" and you'll find me pretty quickly.