clotworthy

[clotworthy]

thanks aghadowey

[aghadowey]

Something doesn't added up here and I have a suspicion what's gone on here.
First, who is the informant on Alice C. Patterson's birth certificate?
Second, what do you know about the other sisters? and how do you know that they were all Alice's sisters?

[clotworthy]

i have that information from Alice's son who is now dead, i found Sarah Blain under Sarah colville from emerald ancestors who's father was Samuel and mother Mary Thompson, the same Samuel and Mary conville who where witnesses at the marriage of Elizabeth and David i hope I'm on the right tract. whats bothering you about all this cause i cant put my finger on whats not adding up for me like i said there is a story of a secret that apparently one of the females ran away with a footman, that's why i think that the middle name clotworthy is of such importance i just cant piece it all together .

[clotworthy]

i don't have an informant on the birth certificate  i have on that gives her name and date and place of birth no parents are mentioned i assume it is a short birth certificate however the general registrar office sent me out the information that Alice clotworthy patterson her birthdate and name of parents everything corresponds except for the mothers maiden name

[aghadowey]

I think you need to stop for a minute and look at the facts so far.

Alice's birth certificate lists mother as Elizabeth Cobain- who is the informant? if Alice's mother did die in childbirth it may be that the person who registered the birth was mistaken about her mother's maiden name.

Marriage of David Patterson and Elizabeth Colville in 1888 lists David as a widower (don't think you mentioned this but the information is on Ros Davies' Co. Down site).

Now, some of the things that seem to be based on family stories-
Alice's mother died in childbirth and she had 6 older sisters.
-If Alice's parents were married in July 1888 and she was born in Dec.1893 it seems unlikely that there were 7 children born between those dates unless there were twins in the family. Agnes in 1911 census is shown as born c1891
-Phoebe is a fairly uncommon girls' name and the only Phoebe Patterson I can see born in Co. Down is a Phoebe Jane Patterson born 1872- daughter of David Patterson and Ann Jane Hamilton.
-This David and Ann Jane were married in 1870 and also had a son John in 1871 and daughter Anna in 1874 (could this be Annie in 1911 census age 39?)

[clotworthy]

of course i didnt look at the dates your right of course that would be impossible so many children in such a short space of time, are you suggesting then that david was married before i found on family search a david patterson christened 1837, father john patterson there was no mention of a mother for david in either pieces of information do you think i am looking at the right couple there couldnt have been to many people born with clotworthy in their name, doubting if i am looking at the right parents at all, if they got married in 1888 that would have made him in his fifties when they got married so it is possible that he had many children what do you think

[clotworthy]

you are a dimond   i found in the comber parish records that mrs hamilton rented a house to in barrick street to the patterson family in 1751 im checking out now what i can get from it

[clotworthy]

have also found agnes daughter of hamilton patterson i wonder is that just the two surnames as apposed to a christen and surname

[Ruskie]

Just butting in here and unsure if this may hinder or help you, but I've been wondering about the similarity of the surnames Colville and Cobain.

This may be completely wrong but just thought I'd share my thoughts. Might it be possible for the surname Colville to be misinterpreted as Cobain depending on the legibility of the writing?

I just did a quick scribble of 'Colville and my scribble could easily mis read as Cobain. I'm thinking if you join the first 'l' and 'v' of colville, with a little loop of the 'v' it might look like a 'b'. and if the other two 'l's' aren't tall enough they can look like an 'n'. Have you seen the original names to make a judegement?

Or, am I mad?  Or just trying to make my theory fit?