De La Poer Dilemma

[cheshiremog]

Dear Irish Board

There is one thing I have found whilst tracing my own tree - there is no smoke without fire - if you are told a really wierd thing about your ancestors, usually you eventually discover why this odd fact has a ring of truth somewhere.

Does any one know anything about the De La Poer family of Cork? John George de la Poer Beresford was Bishop of Ross & Cork in 1805 and later all primate of Ireland.

Does anyone know how the De La poer name may be connected with the name Steele?

John Steele born about 1851 Cork and later moved to Liverpool was named John de la Poer Steele.  John was a shipwright/ship's carpenter.

Sounds like a middle name to me - but how can I find out if there really is a connection between the Steele family and the de la Poers? Why would someone claim to have that middle name/connection in their family if it were not true?

Mog

[GAJM]

Possible that De La Poer was his mother maiden name or one of his grandparents surname i do know that there was a Protestant tradition of using surname's in the family as christian names. De La Poer may have being an old family name.

Have you obtained his marriage record? Which may give his father's name?

De La Poer and Power seem to be same surname

"According to tradition the family POWER (otherwise Le POER or de POHER) originated in Brittany. They expressed their ancient nobility in the total surrender of their lives to their lords for whom they acted as grooms in charge of their horses. Carrying nothing themselves they were "poor". Sometime after 1066 they followed William the Conqueror to England. One hundred years later Sir Robert (or Roger) Le Poer (+ post/1179) accompanied "Strongbow" in his invasion of Ireland, his son John Le Poer (* ante/1179) founding the family in Ireland. Two hundred years elapse before a definiative lineage can be established, namely from David Le Poer (liv. ca.1370). His descendent Sir Richard Poer (or Power), Knight (+ 1538/39), Sheriff of co. Waterford, was created by patent 13 Sept 1535 in "tail male" Baron of Le Power and Corroghmore, recognising the family as one of the foremost in Ireland. The surname "de la POER" soon became interchangable with "POWER", not until 19th century became fixed again when the children of John William Power (1816-51), de jure 17th Lord Le Poer & Corroghmore, by Royal licence reassumed that name. However, other branches of this flourishing family continue to use the surname "POWER".

Ger

[aghadowey]

It wasn't uncommon to name children after the local landlord, clergyman, schoolteacher, doctor, etc. as well as relatives so it may be that the de la Poers were not related.

[cheshiremog]

Thanks both - very interesting an helpful

Mog

[Denis Poore]

Hello, My last name is Poore and I found this discussion interesting. Poer is the name Roger of Salisbury went by and was brought to England by the future King Henry from Caen, Fr.  There is a bunch of history tied to Poer, Poore, le Poer, de la Poer, Poar, Poher, Power. I am related through Philip le Poer, brother to Roger of Salisbury also known as Richard Poore. Philip was the first lord of Amesbury. Father was Richard of Ilchester possibly.

[Kiltaglassan]

Welcome to RootsChat, DP 

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[Denis Poore]

Thank you.  It is a difficult thing getting into a time period where surnames were not used, into time periods where they were used.

[Denis Poore]

De La Poer name is long history back to the Counts of Poher in Brittany. Two of the Bishops of Salisbury were le Poers. One was Chancellor under King Henry. Same one that had the Cathedral built.
Group of le Poers invaded Ireland for England and the church. Dunhill was the location of the Baron le Poer. Power is another variation of the name and is popular around Waterford. It is a name with a lot of history, a lot of them had their time in light. There are multiple haplo ydna groups in the name also.

[HughC]

I can't see where the dilemma lies.  A dilemma is a situation in which one has to choose between two (mutually exclusive) courses of action and neither may prove a solution to the problem; they could even make things worse.

It's necessarily two possibilities: that's what the di- means.