marriage certificate.

[judb]

Hi Estella

Do you have the death certificate of Winifred/Gwenllian?  You can download Victorian certificates straight onto your computer.  It could have her place of birth (if the informant knew it), but still may say only Wales or Swansea   

Judith

[win291130]

Thank you all for the information, yes I have the death certificate but it only states she came from Swansea Wales.
If I can get info on her immigration record that most likeky would help.
but back then they might not have kept so good records, but I will try,I will have to send to England for that ?
thank you all
Estella.

[PrueM]

Hi Estella 

Cando has provided the info you need to obtain a copy of the passenger list:

On the shipping record she is listed as Gwenllean JENKINS.  As she is an assisted passenger there may be more information about her at SA Archives or SLSA.  She was the only JENKINS on the Mary Shepherd

GRG 35/48/1 Official Assisted Passage Passenger Lists 1845 – 1886

[judb]

Hi Estella

On FreeBMD I see a number of Gwenllian Jenkins born in Neath at about the time of your Gwen.  Neath is not far from Swansea.  On the census there is also a Gwenlliam Williams living in Llansamlet which is now a suburb of Swansea.  Unfortunately there is not enough info to see whether any of them fit.

The South Australian State Library apparently has a free research service so asking them to look up the shipping record that Cando found for you would seem the next thing to do.

http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/site/page.cfm?u=387

Please let us know how you get on!

Cheers, Judith

[win291130]

Hi Prue.
I have taken your advise and contacted S.A Library, and now waiting on an answer.
I will let you know if I have any luck.
Estella

[Ruskie]

Does death certificate give her parent's names, so you can try to track the family group down in the Welsh censuses?

forget that - just read the other post ... 

[win291130]

Hi Prue and all who have helped me,
had a reply from S.A. Library, Info was that Gwenllian left from Plymouth on the 10th jan 1863, arrived in Port Adelaide 19th April 1863.She was selected by Jeffrey Watkins Agent ,paid 10 shillings to come, she was a domestic servant.Reg No was D3186 Glamorgan.
Could be Gwenllian born between Oct and Dec. Breconshire Mid Glam. Dist. Merthur Rydfil Volume 26 Page377.
As she travelled on her own they think she may have come out to make a new life for herself,and she may never have known her father .
Many thanks for all your help
Estella

[PrueM]

Hi Estella 

Glad that you have found out at least something about your lady...what a pity there was no more info on the shipping register, but you know at least that she was from Glamorgan.

Cheers
Prue

[judb]

Oh Estella, how nice to get a little bit more.   

If you give the exact date of her death I'd be happy to look up newspapers of the time to see if there are any notices.

I'm not sure I would necessarily agree with the SALS people.  The info you have suggests she was born in Swansea and there are births listed on Free BMD which were closer to Swansea than Merthyr is.

The 1861 Wales census shows 3 possibles for your Gwen - and there are probably others.

Gwenllian Jenkins  b abt 1845 Aberdare, Glamorgan, Wales; Servant living at Aberdare, Glamorgan 

Gwenllian Jenkins b abt 1845 Cowbridge, Glamorgan, Wales; Servant living at Coity, Glamorgan 

Gwenllian Jenkins b abt 1846 Swansea, Glamorgan, Wales; Servant  at Brecon St Mary, Breconshire


The 1851 is less helpful with no clear matches although, as I said before, there is the girl born and living in Llansamlet which is now a suburb of Swansea but is in the Neath registration district. The mother's name is given as Rachel though   Free BMD shows one Neath registration in 1841 and two in 1842 for Gwenllian JENKINS. 

Sadly I think this may be the brick wall for Gwen/Winifred

Judith