Enfield Churchyard & area - PATRICK

[Ruskie]

Kings Arms marked here in the centre of the left map:
http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/sidebyside.cfm#zoom=18&lat=51.6568&lon=-0.0478&layers=176&right=BingHyb

Enfield Highway appears to be a 'suburb' or area rather than a road:
http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/sidebyside.cfm#zoom=17&lat=51.6584&lon=-0.0417&layers=176&right=BingHyb

Note the location of St James church and cemetery almost opposite the pub - might some of your family be buried there?

A lot of Nurseries in the area - it must have been lovely then. 

[Wohlert Wohlers]

Good to see the maps. It must have been quite different in Aaron's days. I wonder where he cut his trees? In case you do not know the story:
Aaron was sent to prison and had to stand trial at the Old Bailey in 1783. You can find everything in the National Archives. The story is that he went with a friend and a servant to Enfield Chase in the middle of the night – quite suspicious – and cut down sixteen trees. It was the 28th of December, it probably was a very dark night. It took them three hours. That is known because the nightwatch saw them going there and greeting them without getting any answer – very suspicious. He saw them later and when they noticed him, they stopped and went quiet. Obviously they hoped to evade his watchfulness!!! He had just announced the fourth hour. The trees must have been fairly small. Half of them were valued at 40 shillings: oak timber trees. The others were likely to become timber trees. They got off because it was not clear to whom the trees belonged.
Court to Jury: The prisoners must be acquitted upon this indictment. That was on the 26th of February.

[dawnsh]

Hi Wohlert Wohlers

Welcome to Rootschat 

James hasn't been online here since December 2012 but as long as his email address hasn't changed, should receive an email notification that you have posted and hopefully come back soon.

Dawn

[Chooch]

Many a 'HAPPY HOUR' spent in the Top House in my younger days, such good memories.

[keyboard86]

Many a 'HAPPY HOUR' spent in the Top House in my younger days, such good memories.

  A Ponders Plonker, two of us!

Where the trees would have been chopped down I would suggest was closer to St Andrews Church eg Chase Side Enfield (Enfield Town) Green Street to the River Lea and beyond led to marshland.
Keyboard86

[keyboard86]

Hi all I do appreciate that the OP has not been online for some considerable time, but just in case any future researchers re Patrick/Ravenhill/Edwards in Enfield need assistance, this looks to be the Thomas Moses Edwards from post 1

1851 census

Samuel Ravenhill 48 Married occ Tailor/possibly even Sailor looking at 1861 RG09/800/4/3? Looks to be Yeoman?
Elizabeth B 17 occ Servant
Harriett 15 occ Governess
Susanna J 13
Anna W 9
Eliza M 7
Sarah M 2
Thomas M Edwards 67 Uncle occ Wheelwright b Edmonton
All others born Enfield
Residing Enfield Highway
Census ref HO107/1703/846/22
Keyboard86

PS in 1841 transcribed as Ravehill wife of Samuel a Mary b c 1806 not in county residing Green Street Enfield
Census ref HO107/653/ 5/48 / 10
Samuel a Tailor

[Wohlert Wohlers]

Hi all,
Samuel Ravenhill was a tailor just like his father John, who came from Ross. The dates I have are:

Samuel Ravenhill
* 14 Sept 1802 Enfield
† 18 Jan 1888 Enfield
married 15 Oct 1830 at St. Catherine Cree, London
Mary Brown Walden
* 4 April 1805 Beauchamp Roding
† 26 June 1898 Enfield
six daughters one son †

Elizabeth Brown Ravenhill (1834 – 1905) married John Attwood Halbeck
Harriet Brown Ravenhill (1835 – 1920) married twice – only child Mabel born in India died young at the age of 13
Susanna Jane Ravenhill (1837 – 1905) married John Wheeler, Savernake Forest
Reuben Albert Ravenhill (1839 – 41)
Annie Winifried Ravenhill (1841 – 1874) unmarried
Eiliza Mary Ravenhill (1844 –    ?    ) married Samuel Thomas Carter
Sarah Myrtle Ravenhill (1848 – 1935) married Henry Brown, Son of Richard Brown Accountant at Huntley and Palmers

Myrtle is Audrey Ravenhill Scriven née Ivimy’s (1917 – 2015) grandmother, my mother-in-law.

I know all this as a grandaunt wrote the dates down 80 years ago.

The two eldest sisters had quite some humor to call themselves servant and governess - to their younger siblings - at the 1851 census. I had not seen that. Quite funny!

The uncle Thomas Moses Edwards was born 1783  as a natural son to Aaron Patrick. He died 1856 in Enfield and is desribed as the Toll Gate Keeper at Waltham Cross Hertfordshire. He inherited Aaron's writing desk.
WW

Is there any possibilty to include a pdf here with the whole family tree? We own the Patrick bible now. I could put a picture on. But there is meant to be a Ravenhill bible as well with lots of information the grandaunt wrote.

[dawnsh]

I've sent a personal message to delphi8 and Ironlay to let them know there have been replies here.

If they are interested, you could exchange email addresses with them and send an image that way.

It is not possible to post images on look-up request boards.

[keyboard86]

Hi again , if correct was Mary Ravenhill aged 45 Married b Harlow shown as Farmers Daughter with Aldred/Whitbread and Walden families in Beauchamp Roothing in 1851?
Census ref HO107/1771/42/13
Keyboard86