Warren Cottage -- Reopened

[Oaks and Acorns]

100% correct.

I was in Dublin over the Christmas time and one of my aunts remembered the Clarke family and the house they lived in. It is north of the railway line on the left, on Warrenhouse Road.

Thank you all for your help.

Dara.

[shanew147]

great news... It's good to know that the theories we discussed ended up with a confirmed positive result!


Shane

[Oaks and Acorns]

While looking for something different in Griffiths Valuation I found Warren Cottage.


The house I was interested in is Balscadden Cottage in the Burrow area of Howth - East from Baldoyle/Sutton Station to the 7 Mile Post and it's on the seaward side of the railway. (Apologies - can't seem able to put a link to the Griffiths map).

I'm trying to find out who lived in the Warren Cottage. It seems to be in the Quarry area of Howth (known locally as Higginbottom's Pond) but the map is not very clear - the plot reference looks like 1W but that is not listed in the original page. (most of the area appears to be owned by the Earl of Howth).

Would appreciate if someone could take a look at Griffiths and also any directory entries between 1850-1900.

Thanks.

Dara.

[shanew147]

I had a look at the Griffith's map and see Warren and Balscadden Cottages. The same buildings are not present on the older (late 1820s to 1840s) OSI maps.  The area to the east of Balscadden is marked as Rabbit Warrens, and seem to be the inspiration for all the rabbit related place names in the area (Burrow townland , Warren house, etc).

It looks like Balscadden Cottage is in Burrow townland, and Warren Cottage is in Quarry townland. I agree the reference looks like 1W for Warren cottage, and 'c' for Balscadden cottage.

My reading of Griffiths for Quarry are that there are three properties along the coast 1/2/3 (west to east) divided into sections. Site 4 is the railway, slightly inland. Warren cottage is on site  1, which is dived into two sections -  the cottage to the west and a quarry to the east. Two buildings are listed in site number 1 - one to Earl of Howth, the other to Edward Font, the remaining section of site 1 seems to be land (the quarry?) occupied by William Bryan. I dont see two buildings on the section of land.. The format of Griffith's seems to be a little different for this area - there's no Lessor / owner section.. not sure why

below see my interpretation of the details of the map  :



Shane

[Oaks and Acorns]

Thank you, Shane. That's exactly what I'm seeing on the map and glad we're reading Griffiths the same way. The site references and map don't seem to agree exactly.

The Earl of Howth lived in Howth Castle as far as I know. Some of the later maps show a racecourse in the Deer Park area around Corrs Castle (the old castle was used as a grandstand). I'm wondering if Warren Cottage was unoccupied and used as a 'sporting lodge' by the Earl? With rabbit, deer and fishing close by it would be reasonably well sited. Pure speculation but it would explain why Griffiths shows the Earl as the occupant.

Apart from Edward Piers (solicitor) in Balscadden Cottage (Griffiths) and Frederick George Hicks (architect) in Warren Cottage (1898) I can find no other occupants. Piers seems to have moved to Warren Lodge (about a mile west of Warren Cottage) some time soon after Griffiths.

Google has been practically useless as there are many Warren Cottages throughout the UK and WB Yeats lived in Balscadden Cottage, Howth (a different building entirely) in 1881.

I'll leave the thread open for a while longer to see if anything comes out of the woodwork.

Thanks again.

Dara.

[hallmark]

THORBURN~Mrs~Burrow of Howth; Warren cot.~Thom's Irish Almanac & Official Directory~1897
THORBURN~Mrs~Burrow of Howth; Warren cottage.~Thom's Irish Almanac & Official Directory~1904

[Oaks and Acorns]

Thanks Dave,

Yet another little mystery now. Was FG Hicks (1898) a lodger with |Mrs Thorburn?

A few earlier ones would also be nice.

Dara.

[shanew147]

I double checked the 1894 directory section for Howth - and dont see anything for Warren Cottage or the surname Dave found (Thorburn), but there is something of interest in the index :

 Wm. Thorburn, cement agent and concrete layer, 33
   Dawson street - res . Warne [sic?] cottage, Howth

the other listings in the area, or which mention Warren or Balscadden, are :

Burrow
 Miss E.J. Campell - Burrow national school
 E.S. Lauder esq. - Caramore
 Mr. James O'Connor

Kilrock Rd
 Mrs. Kiernan - Balscadden cottages
 George N. Ferguson esq JP - Balscadden

Sutton
 Pierce Mahoney esq. - Warren Hse

Index
 George Napier Ferguson, Balscadden, Howth; 48,Mountjoy-square
 George N. Ferguson, esq. a. P. Balscadden, Kilrock rd. Howth

The two Thorburn entiries in the 1884 index are in Donnybrook and Blackrock.

The close listings in 1884 are :

Howth
 Michael Noonan, Balscadden Ho.

Burrow
 John Butler esq.
 Edward Egan esq.
 Mr. James O'Connor esq.

Sutton
 Andrew Todd esq - Warren Hse
 R.D. Kane  - Warren Hse

not everyone is listed in Thom's.. especially those in cottages, or without a business or recognized trade etc


Shane

[Oaks and Acorns]

Thank you Shane,

Plenty in there to keep me busy for a while.

Dara.