Street names Dublin

[Quaxer]

Helkar

At the risk of entering into the world of semantics the word tenement has a popular meaning which is not supported by the Oxford Dictionary ,which Dictionary adheres to a more legalistic definition. Perhaps a better choice of word would be slum .Unfortunately, this word has a more unpleasant ring to it. Pages 2-4 of the book, Dublin Slums 1800-1925 contain an interesting discussion upon the concept of the slum and are worth reading.
The 50 odd entries I have for Fitzwilliam Lane from the Irish Times 1859-1901 show a steady decline throughout the period mainly as regards criminal activity (in so far as a picture can be derived) .The earliest lease dates from 25/3/1789 (for No.

It should be noted that immediate proximity .. to high quality property was no bar to poorer residents...... consider the condition of Cuffe and York Streets and their proximity to Stephens Green in 1950/60......Regards   Quaxer

[mjb1]

Hi Quaxer, i myself think its possible that the person gathering the info just said to himself ah ive done enough for one day ill mark them down as tenements. My grandparents didnt live in Fitzwilliam place and their house was in good nick up to the 1950's and they had their own business but their 2 bedroomed house was still recorded as a tenement, i suppose its one of those things we'll never know the answer to.

[Swy47]

there's two different Cumberland streets listed in Thom's of 1894

Cumberland St. Nth - from Gloucester street to Britain street (North City)

  19 Alexander Sweeny, chandler
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I was searching my family tree on my great grandfather Alexander Sweeney and found this thread. How can i access the Thom's of 1894? I always believed they owned shops around britain street Dublin but no idea how to confirm it. What is a chandler?

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[shanew147]

I was searching my family tree on my great grandfather Alexander Sweeney and found this thread. How can i access the Thom's of 1894? I always believed they owned shops around britain street Dublin but no idea how to confirm it. What is a chandler?

These Thom's directories are books, and other than some extracts of the 1850 and 60 editions are not available to browse online.  A collection of these are available in the National Library in Dublin and other libraries. A few editions have been scanned and converted into CDs and are available to purchase from Eneclann. I have a selection of the original books.

The Cumberland street entry is the only listing for Alexander in the trades index but sometime additional details only appear in the street listings section. if you have details of the street names or types of businesses he may have been involved in I can have a look for other listings for you..



Shane

[Canuc]

What is a chandler?

A dealer in candles, oil, soap, paint & groceries. Not fresh produce.
A corn-chandler deals in corn and a ship-chandler in cordage, canvas, clothing etc.

Happy hunting
Canuc

[shanew147]

Alexander Sweeny is listed with the same occupation and address the 1884 and 1880 editions.

In 1877 19 Cumberland St (North) is listed as Mr. William Fitzachery. I dont see any listing for Alexander in the Trades index in that edition.



Shane

[Swy47]

Many thanks for your help, much appreciated. I'm only back as far as 1840's when my gt grt grandfather Alexander Sweeney was born. Dont know his parents names yet. I'd believed it to be hardware/grocery store but i'm in the process of searching addresses. How would i know if he leased or owned the shop? He died in 1897 and the 1911 census shows his wife Elizabeth listed under a shop in 107 gt britain street. It mentions her working in hardware store and also her son Bernard Sweeney.

[Canuc]

It mentions her working in hardware store...

Chandler is just an on fashioned name that could be applied to a hardware store. A ship-chandler today would sell hardware, so the information you have is consistent.

Happy hunting
Canuc

[Swy47]

Thanks for that, i'd never heard of chandler. Even the street names appear to have changed, just to confuse me further.