Devon Travellers - Sanders

[Ian2904]

I'm trying to find my great grandfather's line.

He was Henry Sanders born in about 1880 - married to Harriet Penfold.  I have her details, but can't find anything on him other than in the 1911 census.

Any information regarding his parentage and siblings would be gratefully received via PM.

Many thanks

Ian

[jaytoot]

Hello Ian,

have you found an actual Marriage for Harriet and Henry?

What did the 1911 census tell you about Henry - whre was he born , what occupation. Also where were they living at the time of the census.

Jim

[Ian2904]

Jim,

The information I have on the 1911 census is that he was aged 28, married, a licensed hawker with a van and born in Devon. 

They were living in a van and one tent on Horwood Down Frethelstock.

 I don't have a marriage license.  However, I do have a copy of my grandmother's birth certificate which states that her mother's maiden name was Penfold.

I'm not altogether convinced about the accuracy of the age information, as it stated that my grandmother was 14, when in fact she would have been 11.  Additionally, the name seems to fairly portable between Sanders, Saunders, and possibly Sanderson.

- Ian

[cathayb]

hi is that you ian?i have se veral henry saunders.the one i have born 1880
Name                       Age in 1891   Birthplace                                        Relationship
Sanders, Edward        32                 Bournmouth, Hampshire                   Head
Sanders, Sybil             36                 Somerset                                          Wife
Sanders, Mary A         14                 Bournmouth, Hampshire                   Daughter
Sanders, James          13                 Callington, Cornwall                          Son
Sanders, Henry          11                  Sampford Courtenay, Devon            Son
Sanders, George         9                  Great Torrington, Devon                   Son
Sanders, Michael        7                   Liskeard, Cornwall                            Son
Sanders, Britania         6                   Bridgewater, Somerset                     Son
Sanders, Job               5                   Holsworthy, Devon                           Son
Sanders, William         4                   Black Torrington, Devon                   Son
Sanders, Sophia         2                   Ashwater, Devon                              Daughter is this one.father of course edward,but wife =sybil!!!!!!!i will see what i can find about sybill and keep looking for one with harriet and get back to you.i am sure my friend ian orchard will know about him.i will get onto him right away.as he is i am sure to do with mosey sanders and eileen birch

[cathayb]

who was harriets mum and dad?i should be able to tie up with thast information.

[Ian2904]

Hi Cathay - yes it's me!  I just wanted to throw the net a bit wider.  Harriet's parents were Alfred Penfold & Louisa Small

[cathayb]

right harriet was born 1883 briseham devon yes?i think your frethelstock   should be frithlestockstone,if thats any help.its near torrington where harriet and the o thers were born.

[cathayb]

9 Sep 1886
 
  Dartmouth, Devon, England
this is henry saunders his father was robert and his mother was louisa?but i dont know if the are yours or not.do you need to tie him up with mosey saunders?did your henry ever go to canada do you know?

[Ian2904]

Cathay,

I think Edward and Sybil are probably a good fit.  In the 1891 census, they are registered as licensed hawkers and are also travelling with Henry & Sophie Orchard.  Phoebe's brothers are named after father and son - Edward and James, so that's another fit.  Also, North Devon around Barnstaple would be more likely than Dartmouth.

I am intrigued by Sybil though.  It's not a name I associate with this clan and she's 4 years older than Edward.  Perhaps she's an outsider?

In terms of going abroad, not that I'm ruling it out, but I think that is highly unlikely.