Berry, D'Arcy, Monaghan of Galway

[Ringoroses]

I guess I'm never going to get anywhere with this lot unless I take the plunge, but to be honest, researching the Irish side of my family scares the begiblets outta me

Anyway, I know this is a longshot, but I'm trying to trace beyond my 3x great grandmother, Mary, who was born a Monaghan somewhere in Galway c1810. Seemingly she married a man called D'Arcy c1835 and had two daughters with him, Mary (probably born Galway c1837) and Anne (probably born Galway, c1839).

I don't know what happened to her husband (or his name) but, by 1851, she was married to someone else (probably in Ireland as I can find no record of it here), Thomas Berry (a docker/mariner also of Galway), and they were living in Liverpool, England, with her two daughters, and their new baby, Winifred.  Presumably they came here due to the famine. They went on to have two more daughers here, Elizabeth and Agnes.

On the 1851 census, a neice of the head of the household (Thomas), Mary Connolly (born about 1833, also from Ireland) was staying with them in Liverpool. This could indicate that Thomas's sister was married to a Conolly...?

I don't really know where to go from here. I know what happened to most of them after they arrive here, but have no clue where in Galway they came from, or who their families were.

Regards,
Ann

[GAJM]

Hi using this website

http://galwaywest.brsgenealogy.com/search.php

I found the following

Thomas Berry Marriage 1849 Clifden (RC)

and also there is

Mary Monaghan Marriage 1849 Clifden (RC)

Bride and groom are indexed separate so there is no guarantee that this is correct marriage could be a coincidence the records are pay per view but might be worth taken the chance.

I know Mary was D'Arcy at the time of second marriage but they have used her maiden name for the marriage record.

Bit of a warning i have no way of known for definite that this will give marriage of Thomas Berry and Mary Monaghan D'Arcy.

Ger

[Ringoroses]

Ok, thanks for the tip, I'll give it a go. I'm stumbling about in the dark with this one anyway, so even if it turns out not to be them, its a chink of light I've not had so far. And, if it's not them, I've only lost the cost of a certificate.


Best wishes,
Ann

[Ringoroses]

Finally took the plunge with that one Ger, and you were absolutely right, it is them - so thanks very much for the tip!  Very happy indeed!  (wish I'd done it sooner now!)

Would really like to find out more, so this is what I have now.

Thomas Berry married Mary Monaghan at the RC church, Clifden, Galway, 15 Jan 1849 - is this the one listed as "the RC church and convent" in various places? Anyone know what its proper name is?

His address is given as Kingstown, none given for her (although it's a transcription, so it could be the same for both). 

Witnesses Michael Murry (sp?) and M Heanue (?) - mean anything to anyone?

No parents given for either - is that normal? Or are they likely to appear in the original but not on the transcription from roots ireland?

And can anyone tell me where Kingstown is, I've googled it but the only one I'm seeing is here
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=kingstown+ireland&hl=en&ll=53.439401,-8.34137&spn=0.115752,0.220757&hnear=Kingstown,+County+Galway,+Ireland&gl=uk&sqi=2&t=h&z=12

This seems quite a way from Clifden? Does that make sense or is there another one nearer to Clifden that I'm missing (thinking there may have been a name change somewhere, as in Queenstown/Cobh?)

In addition to Mary's daughters Mary and Anne (Darcy) mentioned above, I've also discovered another child for Mary's first marriage to Stephen D'arcy recently - a Bridget D'arcy (b Galway c1844) who married a man named Michael Grogan in Liverpool in 1861. Can't see births for any of them in the Clifden listings, suggesting they were born elsewhere - possibly a RC church in the Kingstown area?  Can't see a death for Stephen Darcy either, suggesting he died elsewhere too.

Other research I've done since I made the first post indicates that Mary and Thomas Berry had connections to a Thomas Ford, also of Clifden, a hat and cap maker who also moved to Liverpool c1850, and married a Mary O'Neil. I don't know what the connection to him is so far, but their lives seemed very intertwined for many years - each were witnesses at various family marriages/christenings etc for many years. Perhaps they were just good friends from the old country, but I'd still like to figure it out.

Hope you followed all that!

Regards
Ann








 

[shanew147]

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His address is given as Kingstown, none given for her (although it's a transcription, so it could be the same for both). 
....
No parents given for either - is that normal? Or are they likely to appear in the original but not on the transcription from roots ireland?
....
And can anyone tell me where Kingstown is, I've googled it but the only one I'm seeing is here..
...

There's townland in Omey civil parish (which includes Clifden) named
Kingstown Glebe, with the alternate name of Ballymaconry... I'm searching for it at the moment...

re the details in the record - the details you have are usual for early RC marriage records. i.e. date of marriage, names of the bride & groom, names of witnesses, and sometimes an address.



Shane

[shanew147]

Link to the townland on the historic OSI maps :

   Kingstown Glebe / Ballymaconry

It's located about 7km west of Clifden. The townland is listed on Griffith's and there are two Berry entires included - no Monaghans. A Patrick and Michael Berry are listed and seem to be farming shared land of about 67 acres with several others.

see : Kingstown Glebe Valuation

These returns are dated 1855.



Shane

[Ringoroses]

Interesting. Patrick and Michael Berry listed, both tennants of Hyacinth D'arcy. Could be another link in the chain.

And that Kingstown Glebe looks far more likely than the other Kingstown at my link, which is miles away.

Thanks Shane. Food for thought.
Ann

[Ringoroses]

Just spotted the Michael Murr(a)y too.

[Ringoroses]

Does anyone know anything about Kingstown Glebe/Ballymaconry at all? Its history? Anything about the people who lived there? What sort of houses were there. Aside from the links above, I'm not seeing much about it online. Just streetviewed it and there doesn't seem much left in the way of clues.  Would I be right in assuming this is an area affected by the famine and/or the clearances?