James George Gordon Gammie

[MonicaL]

I'd go with Spidermonkey's theory, that Mary Gordon may have had a (illegitimate?) child before her marriage to John Stewart in 1869. You could check the marriage cert on line at Scotlands People to confirm her marital status at the time of her marriage. The cert will also include full details on her parents' names which will help in tracing her family line back.

I can't see a marriage between a Gammie and a Mary Gordon on IGI.

Going solely on the place of birth showing for her on the later censuses, this is the closest entry I can see in 1861:

Mary Gordon, 27, domestic servant b. Inverkeithnie, Banffshire working at the Andrew household in Forgue, Aberdeenshire.

Monica

[chromecrusher]

I am still trying to unravel the James George Gordon Gammie
(b. 1886)mystery. I can't find a trace of an illegitimate daughter that Mary Gordon may have had before her marriage but we have found out that the Gammie connection comes from JGG  being adopted by a Gammie family at the age of 16 to allow him to travel to South Africa. Therefore his name must have been James George Gordon. Mother unkown at this time but Grandmother Mary Stewart  b 1831 (nee Gordon) of Banffshire.
Also was Bures Middlemas Gammie who was listed on the 1891 census as another grandson JGG's natural brother or half brother? My head is spinning!!! Emigration certainly messes up the trail.  

[Spidermonkey]

I had a couple of spare credits for Scotlands People, so I just looked at the original census return for the 1891 census and I think that Bures is actually Lewis (the enumerator had lovely, if slightly curly writing) but the middlename is definitely Middlemas

[Spidermonkey]

I am still trying to unravel the James George Gordon Gammie
(b. 1886)mystery. I can't find a trace of an illegitimate daughter that Mary Gordon may have had before her marriage but we have found out that the Gammie connection comes from JGG  being adopted by a Gammie family at the age of 16 to allow him to travel to South Africa.

But we have him aged 5 with the surname Gammie!

[chromecrusher]

I'm glad somebody is awake I have just jumped a generation!!!!
JGG was indeed with his Gran Mary and a brother in the 1891 census. The link I am trying to unravel is the link to Mary through JGG's father. Another  James George Gordon Gammie, born around 1866? who took the Gammie name or was adopted by a Gammie family prior to emigrating to South Africa.
Could James George Gordon senior be an illigitimate child of Mary Gordon? We will have to pick up the trail here in SA to find out who he married but if we can find the link to Mary it would be most appreciated

[chromecrusher]

Thanks Spidermonkey for solving the Bures/ Lewis problem.
James George Gordon Gammie was born closer to 1861. He died in South Africa in 1954 aged approx 93.

[Spidermonkey]

So, the one who died in SA, is the putative father of Lewis Middlemas and James Gordon as seen on the 1891 census    And we think that he was originally plain old James George Gordon, but to get out to SA he was adopted/sponsored by the Gammie family and took on their surname.

Whilst out in SA, he married (?) and had 2 children, both of whom were born in Kimberley, and then appear on the 1891 census for Scotland.

At some point James (bn 1886ish) goes back out to SA and marries Frances Easton (bn 1897ish)


Gosh

[chromecrusher]

So, the one who died in SA, is the putative father of Lewis Middlemas and James Gordon as seen on the 1891 census And we think that he was originally plain old James George Gordon, but to get out to SA he was adopted/sponsored by the Gammie family and took on their surname.

Whilst out in SA, he married (?) and had 2 children, both of whom were born in Kimberley, and then appear on the 1891 census for Scotland.

At some point James (bn 1886ish) goes back out to SA and marries Frances Easton (bn 1897ish)


Gosh

Could not have made it clearer myself Do you think he might turn up in a census with Mary for Inverkeithnie. She was in service in 1858 and then married to John Stewart in 1869 with old plain JGG turning up somewhere in between

[Spidermonkey]

Unfortunately, Monica found Mary Gordon on the 1861 census, working as a servant in the Andrew household of Forgue, Aberdeenshire.


Do you have the marriage cert of Frances and James (1886)?

Did JGGG die in and around Kimberley?  Is it likely that the family would have still been in the area up to his death?