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James George Gordon Gammie
« on: Wednesday 02 December 09 09:09 GMT (UK) »
I am trying to find James George Gordon Gammie and his parents.
I have info on his wife's parents.
Alexander Easton m Willemina Heron 20/10/1891 Abbey Parish Arbroath.
Their daughter Francis Janina Easton married JGG Gammie.
JGG Gammie had a brother Louis Gammie  and Janina Easton had a brother Alexander Easton and sister Anna Hay Easton.
Francis and JGG emigrated to South Africa around 1900.
Help would be appreciated :)
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Re: James George Gordon Gammie
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 02 December 09 13:13 GMT (UK) »
The transcript of the 1891 Scotland Census has James George Gammie living with his grandmother:

8 Burn Lane, Inverurie, Aberdeenshire
Mary Stewart  Head  60  Formerly farmer's wife  bn Inverkeithney, Banffshire
James George Gammie  Gson  5  Scholar  bn Kimberly, South Africa (Brit Subj)
Bures Middlemas Gammie  Gson  4  Scholar  bn Kimberly, South Africa (Brit Subj)

The accuracy of the above is reliant on whomever transcribed the record, so to double check (particularly the name of James' brother) you would need to look at the census at Scotlands People.

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Re: James George Gordon Gammie
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 02 December 09 13:31 GMT (UK) »
Possible for JGG's grandmother on 1881 census:

Patties Burn, Grange, Banffshire
John Stewart  H  76  Crofter of 6 acres arable & 6 pasture  bn Aberlour, Banff
Mary Gordon Stewart  W  50  bn Inverkiethney, Banffshire
Lewis Stewart  Son  11  scholar  bn Grange, Banffshire

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Re: James George Gordon Gammie
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 02 December 09 13:36 GMT (UK) »
There is no marriage showing for James and Frances on Scotlands People at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk  Did they marry in SA?

Will be harder to confirm parents' names for James given he looks to have been born in SA from the entry that Spidermonkey has posted for 1891.

This looks to be Frances at home in the 1901 census with the information you have posted on her family:

Alexander Easton    34, Commercial Traveller (soap), b. Arbroath, Forfarshire
Williamina H Easton 32, b. Arbroath, Forfarshire
Harriet Low Easton 9, b. Arbroath, Forfarshire
Alexander T S Easton 6 b. Monifieth, Forfarshire
Francis J K Easton 4 b. Monifieth, Forfarshire
Nellie Heron 18, sister in law, Envelope Maker, b. Arbroath, Forfarshire

Address: 30 Holburn St, St Marchar Aberdeen

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Re: James George Gordon Gammie
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 02 December 09 13:38 GMT (UK) »
And 1871:
Pettiesburn, Grange, Banffshire
John Stuart  H  66  Crofter of 14 acres 7 of which are arable  bn Aberlour, Banff
Mary Stuart  W  40  Crofters wife  bn Inverkeithny, Banffshire
Lewis Stuart  S  1  Farmers son  bn Grange, Banffshire
Mary Inglis  serv  15  Domestic Servant  bn Huntly Aberdeenshire

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Re: James George Gordon Gammie
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 02 December 09 14:05 GMT (UK) »
Using the free search on Scotlands People, it looks as if John Stewart married Mary Gordon in 1869 in Banffshire, so it looks as if the only child from that marriage was Lewis Stewart bn in 1870.

So how did the Gammie surname come into play?  What are the possibilities?
  • Daughter of Mary from before the Stewart marriage?
  • Daughter of John from before his marriage to Mary?

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Re: James George Gordon Gammie
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 02 December 09 14:20 GMT (UK) »
Spidermonkey, as you have found on the censuses, the only birth showing to this couple up to 1874ish when the Scottish entries tail off on IGI is that of Lewis on 24 FEB 1870 in Grange, Banff.

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Re: James George Gordon Gammie
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 02 December 09 14:27 GMT (UK) »
Spidermonkey, as you have found on the censuses, the only birth showing to this couple up to 1874ish when the Scottish entries tail off on IGI is that of Lewis on 24 FEB 1870 in Grange, Banff.

Monica

Right, so how do we get from the Stewart surname to the Gammie surname?  Any children of Lewis would have carried the Stewart surname so it must be a female child of Mary and/or John. 

But I am a bear of little brain, so I could be missing the obvious  :-\

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Re: James George Gordon Gammie
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 02 December 09 14:39 GMT (UK) »
Thanks to everyone a lot to digest!
If JGG was born in 1886 that would have made John Stewart 81, and whilst he fathered Lewis a 60 it seems a little extreme to have fathered JGG. Can we find whether Mary remarried a Gammie or whether the child was illegitimate (maybe).or whether "gammie" was a common law husband
It is strange she was still using the Stewart name in 1891.
Mary must have been a strong woman as she came out to SA to take JGG back to UK. Do we know anymore about her Gordon side of family "gordon" has been carried right down to the current generation
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