Ellen Rooney. St.Helens, Lancs.

[LizzieW]

Nieve

Sorry to throw a spanner in the works, but wouldn't Ellen Rooney's brother have been called John Moran.  He wouldn't have the same name as her married name would he?

Lizzie

[carole oh]

never thought of that
                     caroleoh

[carole oh]

Forgot to mention Nieve there is a family history society in St Helens that could help. contactus.sthelenstownshipsfhs.org.uk caroleo

[nieve]

Hi everyone.   Let me just stand back and look again because I think the water has become a little bit muddied!    Where did Ellen get to in 1886?   Don't know, just presumed she had 'done a runner' never to be seen again and probably living over the brush!    Then along came Ellen Rourny!!!   Could this be her?   Can we just suppose she was living with John ? and then she became poorly and died.   Yes, if it was her brother he would have called himself Moran, so I don't think he was.   If she was living with someone she would have taken his name for appearance sake.   As she was born in St.Helens I don't think she would have had  much of an Irish accent.  I think that when John had to face the registrar, perhaps he panicked. and thought that he had better give her true name.    Perhaps he had an Irish twang.  Who knows?   Anyway I am following Carole oh's advice and I am going to write to the St.Helens Family History Society to see if they solve this mystery, because there is still the missing grave.  Or do I just want her to be my great grandmother?        To be continued........ Nieve.

[carole oh]

Hi Nieve,
     I paid a visit to St Helens Library today and lo and behold there was a Sutton Rd InRainhill after all. Although the lady could'nt give me an exact location on the map we do know where abouts it was as it was in the indexs.
I also mentioned you could'nt find where Ellen had been buried ,the lady said she could have died in Whiston Hosp just up the road from Rainhill that Hosp comes under Prescot borough where there is apparently a cemetery but in the Protestant church. There is however 2 very old churches in the Prescot diocese both catholic, not sure of the name of the one in the centre of Prescot but the other is Our LadiesRC Church Portico Lane, Prescot. The lady also said Whiston Hospital was also a workhouse so if she was'nt well they would have taken her there.
Also regarding Church Villas , although again not sure of exact location but in the index's it was near a church and school so we have a good idea of the location. I have got photo copies of both locations if you would like them send me your address and I will forward them onto you as unfortunately I dont have a printer or a scanner at the moment.
 You could also try writing to Prescot library where they have quite a few records, also have you tried Prescot reg office for a death cert. The address of the Library is Kemble St , Prescot also same address for reg office. Hope you find her . Best Wishes Caroleoh, let me know if there is anything I can do to help

[jvy20]

Hi,

Prescot Library is High Street, Prescot, Merseyside, L34 3LD 0151 426 6449

Prescot Registrar is also  High Street Prescot  - same address phone no 0151 443 5210

Library not been in Kemble Street for 30+ years.

Regards

John

[carole oh]

Sorry John ,my mistake .
                       Caroleoh

[nieve]

Hi Carole oh and Jvy 20.   Once again thank you for your input, interest and kindness.   My next plan is to contact Prescot Library/Registrar next week when I have more time.   If that fails I will contact the St.Helens FHS.  Carol oh - thank you for your offer of the photographs, I will bear them in mind  now I know that there is some photographic history to 'put more meat on the bones' .   To be continued......Nieve.

[Dana Majors Lewis]

Ellen Rooney Moran was my great grandmother.  I have little information about her only that she married my great grandfather Jack Moran and had 3 children, Maggie, John and Anne.  Anne died shortly after birth of consumption as did her mother Ellen also called (Nellie).  Jack Moran left his 2 chikdren with his parents Thomas and Anne Higgins Moran and immigrated to Midland, Pennsylvania, USA.  My grandmother Margaret Moran joined her father in the US years later.