Ellen Rooney. St.Helens, Lancs.

[nieve]

Hi Carole oh,   Yes I saw that!   Another £7 wasted.   She was the wife of Bernard Moran and lived at 109 Northumberland Terrace, Everton.    Back to the drawing board!     Thanks Nieve

[carole oh]

Hi Nieve,
           Try as I might I can't seem to find a death record for Ellen.have you tried the General record office in Southport,even if Ellen did'nt die in this county they should have a death record for her there.
If you have'nt already done so give them a try if you can give them a rough idea of when you think she died and where, they may be able to help.
 I believe all Holy Cross church records are now held at the Liverpool record office, have you tried there. When I have time I will visit the main library in St Helens just to make sure they have any records for Holy Cross.
 There must be a death record for Ellen somewhere she was a real person after all. Kind Regards carole oh

[heywood]

Hello Nieve and Carole,

I just saw this death Ellen Rourny 30 yrs died 1892 Prescot Vol 8b pg 419.
I can't see any Rournys in 1891 but if it was Ellen where is she in 1891 anyway?
It could be a corruption of  several names I suppose.

best wishes
heywood

[carole oh]

Hi Nieve , That's very possible, just recently I couldnt find a birth cert I was looking for, like you I knew she existed and I also tried everywhere. The person in question was a Ellen O'Keefe, after a lot of searching I spotted an entry for a Ellen Kieve so decided to send for the cert, it turned out to be the right one, so I would go for it if I were you. They were always getting names wrong in those days. Let me know how it goes , Best Wishes caroleoh

[nieve]

Hi Carole oh and heywood.  Thanks for your messages/interest.   Yes. this is worth a go!    I have applied to Southport [before the price goes up  ] for this certificate.
Will keep you informed.   Nieve.

[heywood]

fingers  crossed 

[carole oh]

GOOD LUCK NIEVE, KEEP ME POSTED.
                         CAROLEOH

[nieve]

Hi everyone.   Well I have this death certificate!!!  This 'lady' died on 18.8.1892.   Name - Ellen  Rooney -  the name Rooney was crossed out and was replaced with Rourny.   She was 30. a housekeeper/domestic and died of Phthisis [TB].  The place of death was Sutton Road, Rainhill R.S.D.    Whatever that means.  In attendance was John Rourny [brother] of Sutton Road, Rainhill.    I have spent the last 2 hours trying to find him/them on any census, neither can I find any grave for her under either name.   The only name that rings true is the doctor who certified:- Robert Tyrer M.R.C.S.E. and he lived at Church Villas in Rainhill in 1891.   Was this address Rainhill Hospital or a private address?           I think that this cert. is a fabrication on the part of the 'brother'!   Even the name doesn't ring true.           Come on Carole oh and heywood, what's your verdict?

[heywood]

Hi Nieve,
What a mystery    That is the only 'Rourny' in BMDs and none in census so presumably a mistranscription/misinterpretation of some kind.
Sutton Road doesn't seem to be the address of the hospital.
I haven't read all of this thread http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,102252.0.html
but I have just seen that it says the records of the hospital are available to search in Liverpool. It also says that the 'mental' hospital part was Eccleston - I have had a quick look for Ellen .. but nothing.
I suppose also that the name may be a corruption of something like 'Rourke' but I think we are clutching at straws. As I wrote this , I thought I would check and 1891 has a John Rourke with a sister... Mary  in 1891 but she is wrong age anyway.
I don't know what to think. If you could find a funeral but ...