Bright's and Bentley's Of Huntingdonshire.

[Cottingham]

Hi,

Thank you for all this information.

Do you know what became of George Bentley's siblings?

Did his sister Hannah marry a William Abbs? If so, would it be at all possible for you to look them up in the census' that you have.

Thank you.

[lindajae]

William Bright b approx 1844 married to Rebecca Prime b approx 1843 were my gggrandparents.  My ggrandmother was their child Betsey who came to America at 16yrs old.  I knew Rebecca died and William was a Widower for awhile.  But I didnt know her name until now. After he married Lizzie what happened to the children he had with Rebecca. I know they were getting older but where is 14 yr old Charles?  My GGrandmother fled to USA at 16 and didnt speak well of her father.  The Census 1851 has Williams parents name, his siblings, and a father or grandfather to William Bright residing with them.  William nearly named his children with Rebecca the same as his brother & sisters.  I want to thank you both for Chatting about them because I never knew Williams wife's name (I had it narrowed down to two) and the name of his new wife (was curious). I'm very interested in the Census info for 1841 if David could still give this information for William Bright and maybe find something on Rebecca Prime.  I will be forever grateful!!
I will provide the 1841 Census info for person: Cottingham who is asking info in the next posting (my computer keeps signing off and I want this to get posted).
Thank you all so much....
Lindajae

[lindajae]

1851 Census St Ives on fiche by Hunts FHS

Francis "Frank" Bright  h m 43 ag lab born Needingworth
Elizabeth Bright w m 45  ag lab   born Needingworth
Phoebe  d u 19 dyers assistant born Needingworth
Ann    d u 17 dyers assistant born Needingworth
Betsey  d u 15  dyers asst  born Needingworth
Frances  d   13  Born St Ives
John   s  11  Scholar  born St Ives
*William   s  6  Scholar  born St Ives (this is our William)
Chas D   s  3    born St Ives
James    f (father of Frank) wr (widower) Late Farmer  born: Needingworth
***CORRECTION: The census says "f" for father. James is the Grandfather b. 1754  97yrs old
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Enjoy!!
Lindajae

[lindajae]

1851 Census for St Ives on fiche by Hunts FHS

I forgot to put their location during this census: 
CROWN YARD
This was at the top of their names that was emailed to me by a researcher. 
I searched all over the web and couldnt find anything except a bar called "Crown Yard".  Was that a street?
LindaJae

[lindajae]

One more thing: 
Lissie Bright & William Bright are on the 1901 Census at:  www.census.pro.gov.uk
You have to pay to see all the info but they show you the person (one at a time) if you search for them.  She is listed as Lissie Bright.  County: Huntingdon  The civil parish: Somersham   
He still has occupation as: Coal Agent. I only found two of their 5 children. I found Bernard & Olive (doing separate searches) and no Margarita (unless her name is Gladys Bright-middle name?).  Point of interest: My GGrandmother Betsey daughter of William Bright & Rebecca (half sister to Lissie's kids) named her only daughter Olive.  The same name as one of Lissie's daughters that was about 15 yrs when my Betsey left for America.
Hope I have given back a little piece of info you have given me!
Lindajae

[lindajae]

I'm sorry...  Olive was 5 yr old when my GGrandmother Betsey Bright left for America.  She must have been very close to her to name her daughter Olive also.
LindaJae

[bedfordshire boy]

Just got back from hols, hence the delay in replying. This thread is mushrooming!

So... LindaJae has confirmed the William Bright that I had found, was the son of Frank and Elizabeth. Heres Frank (Francis) and family in 1841 (minus William of course who wasn't born until c1845)

HO107/448-10 Folio 34B
Priory Yard St Ives
Francis Bright 35 ag lab
Elizabeth Bright 36
Mary Bright 17
Phoebe Bright 10
Ann Bright 7
Elizabeth Bright 6
Frances Bright (female) 3
John Bright 1
All born in Hunts

A yard was probably just an enclosed area behind/off/to the side of  a street.

Rebecca Prime's birthplace was in Herts, for which I have just the 1851 census, and the result is interesting:
HO107/1707 folio 409A
High St Barley
Mary Prime wife marr 34 born Needingworth Hunts
John Prime son 16 ag lab b Barley
Rebecca Prime dau 7 scholar b Barley
Fanny Prime dau 6 scholar b Barley
Mary Ann Prime dau 2 b Barley
Susan Whitmore lodger unm 36 dressmaker b Barley

No sign of a husband, and the only other Primes in Barley were:
folio 413A
High St Barley
Mary Prime head widow 72 annuitant b Hadenham Cambs
Abram Prime son marr 33 annuitant b Barley
Susanna Prime dau 59 b Barley

In 1861 there is an Abram Prime 43 b Barley with wife Susan 65 b Barley living in Cambridge so we still don't know who Mary Prime's husband was in 1851 and whether or not he was alive and working elsewhere or whether she should have been described as a widow.

In 1861 Fanny Prime 16 b Barley was a nursemaid in St Ives.

Problem solved! Found them in 1861 enumerated as Pryme but indexed as Pryne.

RG9/980 folio 38B
The Lion and Lamb, High St, Holywell cum Needingworth
James Pryme head marr 50 farmer labourer and butcher b Barley
Mary Pryme wife 42 b Needingworth
Rebecca Pryme dau 16 dressmaker b Needingworth
Mary Ann Pryme dau 10 scholar b Needingworth
Stephen Butcher lodger unm 50 whitesmith b Needingworth

Living in the next house was
Fen Lane
Abram Pryme head marr 23 ag lab b Needingworth
Mary Pryme wife 26 b Needingworth
Hannah Pryme dau 10 scholar b Needingworth
William Pryme son 9mths b Needingworth

In 1871
RG10/1522 folio 7
High St, Holywell cum Needingworth
James Pryme head marr 62 annuitant b Barley
Mary Pryme wife 53 b Needingworth
Frederick Pryme grandson 5 scholar b Somersham Hunts
Stephen Butcher lodger unm 40 blacksmith b Needingworth


It's possible that the 72 year old Mary in Barley in 1851 might have been James Pryme's mother, and Abram 33 his brother.

OK, lunch!  I'll check out George Bentley's siblings this afternoon.

Regards

David

[bedfordshire boy]

Isaac Bentley b c1835 - details of 1861 census on posting of 29 June.
Benjamin Bentley b c1839 - there is a death on FreeBMD in St Ives registration district in Sept 1855 which might be him. I can't see any marriages in Hunts and I can't find him in any census subsequent to 1855.
Rebecca Bentley - deaths on FreeBMD in St Ives reg district in Dec 1850 and Sept 1851 either of which might be her. I cant see a marriage which would fit.
Hannah Bentley - there is a marriage on FreeBMD in St Ives reg district in March quarter 1854 between William Abbs and Hannah Mary Bentley ref St Ives 3b 411. The 1861 has the following entry
Hatton Rd Barham, Longstanton
William Abbs head marr 29 ag lab Born Cambs All Saints
Hannah Mary Abbs wife 33 b Old Hurst
Margrett Abbs dau 7 b All Saints Cambs
Eliza All'? Abbs dau 4 b All Saints Cambs
Pricelda Ann Abbs dau 2 b All Saints Cambs

Let me know if you need any later censuses checked for Isaac or Hannah.

Regards

David

[Cottingham]

Hi,

Thank you both, for replying to me. The information that you both have given me, will definitely help me fill some gaps about our Bright and Bentley side of the family.

We are still researching these surnames and therefore, we would love to hear from any one with information about them.

Thank you.