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[Ceeoh]

Good one Heywood.  Just read Mary's Will.

The bulk of her assests are in trust for three grandchildren Violetta - daughter of her son John,  Eliza - daughter of her son Charles, and John Alexander Thompson - son of her daughter Emma (with provisos for age attainment, marriage etc.)

However - at the end of the will comes this   .....I direct my trustees to sell and convert into money all other my real and personal estate and to stand possessed of the proceeds of such sale and or conversion upon trust after payment thereout of my funeral and testamentary expenses and debts for my sons JOSEPH SMITH, John Grout and George Grout as tenants in common in equal shares .......

The Will was drawn in 1903, Mary died 1906.

Soooooo - Joseph was her son and he was still around in 1901

Progress

Now - did someone say they had checked the 1901 census - must go back and read all the postings and start again fom there.

Many thanks
Margaret

[heywood]

Margaret,

that's good to know about Joseph from the point of view of all this searching 

1901  RG13; Piece: 4430; Folio: 61; Page: 70

Hollinghurst Allerton Bywater

Joseph Smith 52yrs Coal Miner b Guisborough
Margaret 41 yrs b -do-
Joseph 24 yrs Coalminer b -do-
Emma  16 yrs b Yorks Grangetown
John 14 yrs b Trap Door Minder Yorks Maggra Park
Isabella 12 yrs b Castleford
Florence 10yrs b Durham Sunnyside
Maggie  7 yrs b Castleford
Halph  2yrs b Castleford
John Plummer boarder married 41yrs Coal Miner b Norwich
Thomas Leather boarder married 34yrs Coal Miner b Guisborough

Guisborough has been transcribed as Gainsborough but it reads 'Guis..'

This is what I meant re age- in 1891 Joseph is aged 38 yrs.

heywood

[Ceeoh]

Many thanks for 1901 data Heywood.

Well!!  This rather looks as if the Wingrove was a red herring.

Very interesting is the fact that by 1901 Joseph and Margaret have:
Joseph (probably named for his father or was Joseph W Smith the elder, the father of Mary's son),
Emma (Mary Smith and Charles Grout had a daughter Emma), 
John (Mary Smith and Charles Grout had a son John, also Mary says her father was John),
Isabella (there was Isabella Burnside a witness at the Smith/Grout marriage, or Mary Smith and Charles Grout's son Edward married an Isabella)

Florence, Maggie and Halph (is this Halph or Ralph?) don't mean anything to me at the moment.
Charles W born c1878 and Mary A born c1880 are not with the family

I would say this (almost) conclusively shows Joseph next door to Mary in 1881 is her son.

Now I wonder :  was Mary married to a Mr (Joseph) Smith?
Was she a single woman with an illegitimate son and conjured Mr Smith up for appearances?
Does this look as if she did belong to a travelling family group?

Certainly it looks as if she was connected to the Burnside family.

1863 when son Charles (Grout) was born she declares herself to be a single woman on his baptism record.

1869 when she married Charles (after thee children) she declares herself to be a single woman.

To me it rather looks as if Mary would wriggle around the truth when it suited her, but she couldn't bring herself to lie in church!!

This is great - may thanks heywood.

Where is/was Allington Bywater?

Margaret

[Ebch]

Allerton Bywater between Leeds and Castleford West Yorks - colliery there 

[Ceeoh]

Re Mary's son Joseph - census discrepancy in age.

I have only worked from what I found 1871 census which recorded him as 14 years (bc1856/57) that could quite easily have been incorrect.

1871 - 14     (c1856/57)
1881 - 25     (c1855/56)
1891 - 38     (c1852/53)   (I haven't seen this)
1901 - 52     (c1848/49)

Back to freebmd!!

Margaret

[heywood]

sorry- mistyped Allerton Bywater  have amended

I thought you had him in 1891- Crook and Billy Row but here he is:

1891 RG12; Piece: 4077; Folio 33; Page 2
1 Double Row, Crook and Billy Row Durham

Joseph Smith 38 yr Coal Miner b Guisboro
Margaret  31 yr  b -do-
Joseph  15 yr Coal Miner b -do-
Charles  14 yr -do-   b Skelton
Mary A  10 yr b Rosedale Abbey
Amy  6 yr b Grange Town
John  4 yr b Margate Park
Isabela  2 yr b Castleford
William Little Lodger 33 yr Coal Miner b Cumberland Whitehaven

[Ceeoh]

I see Stroudie had picked up a Joseph on Billy Row/Crook 1891 and again Tadcaster 1901 but I had not realised this was "our" Joseph, thought it was just one more to add to the confusion!!

Nice to have it confirmed, many thanks.

Thanks for the 1891 data.

I think I made the mistake about Allerton (Allington), mind spinning at a rate of many knots with all this information

Margaret

[stroudie]

Hi

I'm following posts but regrettably have huge work commitments at present, so unable to follow up at present. Somewhere have lists of lots of  Mary and joseph Smiths and the reasons why I excluded them. Margaret do you have copies?

Keep up the good work!

[Ceeoh]

Hi Stroudie - I'm sure you must have sent them at some time - will have to have a look.  Bit difficult, as you know I am working "one-armed" at the moment!  Awkward for going through files!!

I have put a request on the traveller list but they need a bit more information than I gave so need to follow up on that also.

Delighted we at least have Joseph in place.

Margaret