Ceeoh's Scavenger Hunt...Everyone Welcome To Join In

[Spidermonkey]

Had a quick look under Guisborough and Hov* but nothing doing.  I widened keyword search to Malton, and there is a Mary Smith bn 1839 with John Smith in Sheriff Hutton, but no clues to suggest that they are the right family.  No profession is given, but it appears that the Smith family are living in the same premises as Hornsly family, the head of which was a farmer so perhaps John Smith was an ag lab on his farm......

[stroudie]

Hi again Ceeoh

Re 1841. I will try and check ancestry again, but I feel I have checked before. I even have 1841 on old microfiche and I once indexed all the Smiths in Guisborough and nothing fitted. May be we need to check a wider area, but there will surely be several Mary Smiths dau of John b in Yorkshire of the right age.

Thanks Spidermonkey for checking Joseph Wingrove.  I'm afraid I don't have the right subscription to check it on Ancestry.

So, where next? As you say lots of information, but nothing to tie it together

[alpinecottage]

I've read through the thread and I hope I'm not zipping off on a tangent, but am I correct thinking you haven't found Mary Smith and Joseph in 1861?

How about this RG9 3654:
Joseph Smith 28, labourer, cant work out where born,
Mary Smith 28 born Flockton
Joseph William Smith age 2, born Lackenby
all living at South Bank Terrace, Guisborough

Not Wingrove, but it does start with W

Joseph William's birth appears to be reg Dec Q 1858, Guisborough 9d 398

Family search has Joseph William Smith, parents Joseph and Mary Smith, chris 13 April 1859 at Eston (nr Lackenby).

Flockton, Mary Smith's birthplace in above census is about 2 miles SW of Overton, in the Huddersfield/Barnsley/Wakefield area.

Had a quick look on 1871 census, but couldn't find this family there.

[regross]

Ceeoh,

I think it will cost you little but time to list your surnames , places and dates on the travellers board her on Rootschat.  http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,387.0.html

Smith, Leather, Burnside etc.

Lack of marriage/birth rego details, and name changes seem to be an accepted part of the traveller way.  At the very least the people on that board may be able to help or rule the possiibility out.

regards

Robyn

[Ceeoh]

Good morning - thanks for new input which I must digest.

Regross - good suggestion - will do as you suggest on the travellers board.  Many thanks.

Alpine Cottage - the Smith family at South Bank Terrace Guisborough don't ring a bell with me, Stroudie may recall whether we have looked at this one before.  Will follow up on this one.

                        - the Wingrove entry into the saga came about due to a Joseph Smith and family living next door to Mary and Charles Grout in 1881.  As follows:

Charles Grout married Mary Smith.  Mary had (assumed) an illegitimate son Joseph c1856.  1881 census Charles and Mary are living 10 Hutton's Yard Guisborough.   1881 census living at 8 Huttons Yard are Joseph W Smith age 25 (c1855/56) with wife Margaret and children Joseph W (the father's name) age 4, Charles W age 2 (perhaps for Charles Grout?), and Mary A (perhaps for Mary Ann Grout?).  Putting the two together the relationship seemed to be logical.

However, on enquiring at the record office it was discovered that this Joseph was (supposedly) the son of Joseph Wingrove Smith.  The father was not recorded as deceased.  There is no trace of a registration for a Joseph Wingrove Smith c1856, or any trace of the father Joseph Wingrove Smith, birth marriage death or census.

This has thrown a huge spanner in the works ever since!

Mary has consistently (since 1871) given her birth place as Guisborough, until suddenly 1901 it becomes Oggeven (or Eggeven) near York (neither place exists).   And the "near York" bit?  As we have no idea who gave the information it could be guesswork, dialect misunderstood by an out-of-town (and tired) enumerator, or Mary being truthful for once but the place name misunderstood or misspelt.  Any number of reasons.

Stroudie - I  have your lists on file I will dig them out.

I would still like to know - 1851 census who was the Mary Smith age 15 working in Skelton, born Brotton??

 I think all the foregoing now needs collating to see what picture it all presents.  Will try and put it together later today

Many thanks all

Margaret

[heywood]

I would still like to know - 1851 census who was the Mary Smith age 15 working in Skelton, born Brotton??

Morning Margaret,
Brotton has a couple of Mary Smiths,as adults, in 1841. Mary Smith aged 15 yrs doesn't seem to be there in the Smith families of Brotton.
Have looked at Skelton too- nothing.
heywood

[heywood]

I've read through the thread and I hope I'm not zipping off on a tangent, but am I correct thinking you haven't found Mary Smith and Joseph in 1861?

How about this RG9 3654:
Joseph Smith 28, labourer, cant work out where born,
Mary Smith 28 born Flockton
Joseph William Smith age 2, born Lackenby
all living at South Bank Terrace, Guisborough

Not Wingrove, but it does start with W

Joseph William's birth appears to be reg Dec Q 1858, Guisborough 9d 398

Family search has Joseph William Smith, parents Joseph and Mary Smith, chris 13 April 1859 at Eston (nr Lackenby).

Flockton, Mary Smith's birthplace in above census is about 2 miles SW of Overton, in the Huddersfield/Barnsley/Wakefield area.

Had a quick look on 1871 census, but couldn't find this family there.

This family are living in Normanby (reg district Guisborough) in 1861. Mary's birth looks as though it could be Stockton - the 'Fl' could be  'St' but not sure. Someone has written 'Durham' and their lodger's p.o.b. is same and shown as Stockton.
1871 RG10; Piece: 4934; Folio: 25; Page: 4

has a family but father is James  , Mary b Stockton and son Joseph b Eston.

I would say this is the same family as 1861.

heywood

[Ceeoh]

Round about 1994 I checked the parish baptism registers on film at Middlesbrough Archive for Brotton and Skelton but could find no trace of a Mary Smith 1830 - 1839 that would fit.  Many thanks for checking that one (1841) for me.

Margaret

[heywood]

I'm going to have to leave this for now- lots to do 

I notice that Joseph changes his age too in the censuses which doesn't help much!

Were the children named in the wills- did Joseph get a mention as a so in Mary's will?

heywood