Ceeoh's Scavenger Hunt...Everyone Welcome To Join In

[Ceeoh]

It's a while since we looked at Joseph Wingrove Smith - I seem to recall Stroudie also looked at his one some time ago and could find no references to the Wingrove part - perhaps she will recall when next she is on line.

It all looks so straight forward doesn't it when one sees all the data from 1863 onwards - what could be easier than just checking back 1861, 1851, 1841, for Mary Smith but it's as if she just appeared out of thin air.

I know the Burnside / Bradley route looks very promising.  I mentioned previously Mary has doggedly stuck to the fact that she was born in Yorkshire.  And why the difference between how she registered Charles 1863 and the info she gave for his baptism.  She was obviously illiterate and had something she wanted to hide.

The reference to Eggeven/Oggeven in 1901 could so easily be Hovingham.

Any ideas what parish church would be used for Hovingham residents - baptisms etc?

Another coincidence struck me this evening.  My aunt (Mary's grandaughter) married in 1913 a man whose mother was from Coxwold (where James Bradley was born) - and she was a Smith!!

Who was Mary Smith age 15 1851 census working in Skelton, born Brotton?

I have a contact in the U.K. with an Ancestry subscription, I will ask her if she has the one where she could access the criminal  record

Margaret

[stroudie]

Hello Ceeoh and Heywood

I have previously checked for anyone with the name of Wingrove.  I can't find any notes, but I recall the Maltby reference and that there was nothing else apparently useful. I guess the could be Wingrow. As I recall, Joseph was also illiterate so we probably have someone else's spelling of what he said.. Witnesses at his wedding were not family members and his wife was 16 and pregnant.

Of note is; on further census records Joseph Smith in 1891 is in Crook & Billy Row, Durham with wife and 6 children and in 1901 he is in Hillinghurst Tadcaster with wife and 7 children. He has a boarder called Thomas Leather from Guisborough.

I haven't looked for him in 1911.

[Tephra]

Sorry, just had to comment on the 'Crook & Billy Row'............. Don't know about you, but it conjours up wonderful pictures for me....         

[stroudie]

Sorry, just had to comment on the 'Crook & Billy Row'............. Don't know about you, but it conjours up wonderful pictures for me....         

Sounds great doesn't it. It was a coal mining area, so perhaps the name cheered the gloom!

[Tephra]

It does sound great, I've been trying to work out if it was a sort of rhyming slang     


Barbara

[toni*]

i've lost the plot

[Tephra]

i've lost the plot

Sooooooooooo..........what's new.......     

[stroudie]

Back on a serious note! I have just reviewed all posts to date:

There's lots to think about here and no ready answers 

I wondered about Joseph Wingrove Smith- where does Wingrove come from 
I wonder if Smith is another little diversion.

Looking for Joseph Wingrove -Ancestry has an 1860 criminal record entry with imprisonment but I can't access it- wrong membership.    It is in North Riding)

This is promising as it is previously unknown information. Does anyone have any access?

On a very distant loose end, i have checked Thomas Leather - 1891 he is a hospital patient in Eston, iron stone miner. There is a 50 yr old, widowed Lavinia Leather in Westgate Guisborough - his mother? Westgate is where Charles and Mary Ann Grout live. Can't see either of them earlier, but it looks like he's known to Joseph from home, but no helpful link.

[heywood]

As you say, it all looks so straightforward   

Guess what- Lavinia Leather is a Hawker, born Durham and I can't yet see her anywhere else.
Thomas Leather turns up in 1891 and 1901 - nowhere else as yet and there is no birth record on Free BMD for Guisborough.
We don't even know whether Lavinia is connected to Thomas and whether they are really connected to Mary but ...

Added:
Free BMD has a marriage for Lavinia Leather 1880 (can't see her with any of the spouses) and a death in 1906 for LL - both Guisborough. As ever, I am aware that we are spreading the net perhaps too wide and inappropriately