Ceeoh's Scavenger Hunt...Everyone Welcome To Join In

[Lesanne]

ooo 'ello everyone.. back from me hols... 

[Ceeoh]

I have just been following up on Heywood's suggestion of James and Mary Bradley with a four year old Joseph in 1861.

Mary is a lot younger than James  - 13 years.
Her birth place is given as either Ovingham or Bingham (the transcription says Bingham) both Yorkshire - neither of which are shown on any of my maps.

What is very interesting is that they are living next door to a William Burnside (an earthernware dealer) (would he be a hawker?) same birthplace as Mary!  William age 23 and Mary 26.  (Could they be brother and sister)

Bearing in mind that the witnesses to the marriage of Mary Smith and Charles Grout  were Isabella and Ambrose Burnside.

My Mary very definitely had something to hide, they would have had no difficulties churchwise to marrying  - they had all their pre marital children baptised - unless there was some reason Mary could not marry.

Does anyone know where Ovingham or Bingham were/are in Yorkshire?

Margaret

[spark]

http://www.ovinghamgoosefair.org.uk/

and click onabout ovingham then maps

Short answer is newcastle-upon-tyne

Spark

[Ceeoh]

Many thanks will have a look.  Problem is it's Northumberland, and despite all Mary's ducking and dodging she has maintained all along she  was born in Yorkshire.  If Ovingham is Hovingham (allowing for the Yorkshire dialect and perhaps an out-of-town enumerator) that would place her "near York" as she (or whoever gave the stats) says in 1901.

Margaret

[heywood]

I thought it looked like Bingham too 

However, there is a Hovingham, 9 miles from Coxwold which is where James Bradley said he was from. It's easy to say it without the 'H' 

[heywood]

The Burnside name seems to be in Yorkshire and Durham.

John Burnside, Hawker (from Hovingham) is in Durham in 1871 and 1881.

1861 RG9; Piece: 3742; Folio: 5; Page: 4
 Ambrose Burnside b Guisborough with wife Isabella is in Durham. (Is this the right Ambrose?) He is a hawker and his father, I think, Edward is 'next door'. A daughter of that family is born Guisborough.

I don't want to get side tracked with this family though.

[Ceeoh]

Getting late over here now - will have to get back to this tomorrow - thanks all for help received today.  Will tackle Mary again tomorrow.

Regards
Margaret

[stroudie]

Hello
I am also a descendant of Charles and Mary Ann. I have been collaborating with Ceeoh for some time.

I have a theory that Mary Burnside/ Bradley/ Smith/ Grout are the same person, but i can't prove it.

Facts to date: Mary (Ann) Smith - no evidence for her before registration of .birth of child with Charles. No obvious birth or baptism.

Mary Burnside bapt 12.10.1831 Guisborough, not found on 1841 census. 1851 in Old Meeting Hse Yard, Guisborough, family are tinkers, brother John was bapt at Hovingham ('Ovingham = Eggeven?). After this not found on census. No obvious marriage or death.

Mary Bradley as noted earlier 1861 census married to James, Mary born Ovingham, son Joseph age 4. 1871 Mary Bradley not found. Deaths 1861-71 Mary bradley b 1831 x2 in Stockton & Durham. Joseph Bradley not found 1871, no death found.

James Bradley- there are 2 similar people. James gives birth as Coxwold c 1822 on 1861 census. i think in 1851 he is in Grantham visitor age 28 b Gilling.
In 1871 I believe he is in Muggleswick, Durham in a lodging house, navvy, UNMARRIED, b Gillan, Yorks, In 1881 he is in Skelton, again unmarried, labourer, 59 b Gilling. I can't find him later.

The other James Bradley was born in Gilling c 1823 and is traceable through census records. His parents are Cuthbert and Ann and he is a tailor, married Jane and is found Gilling till 1871 and later in Durham and appears to have died June 1891 in Durham.

There is a registered birth for Joseph Bradley in 1857. Parents are given as married and mother signs with X. I can't find a marriage for his parents.

So questions arise - were Mary & James Bradley married? Did Mary Bradley marry Charles Grout bigamously under an assumed name?

Any thoughts welcomed!

[stroudie]

Just checked my information again and realised that the registered Joseph Bradley born in Guisborough in 1857 does not have parents called Mary or James, which then begs the question; who is the child living with Mary & James Bradley in 1861?