Ceeoh's Scavenger Hunt...Everyone Welcome To Join In

[heywood]

There is a Hovingham - which maybe would fit with Mary Bradley which  I can't read that well in 1861 and the 'Oggeven' etc place but as it isn't even Smith 

[toni*]

Sorry  forgot to add (isn't it always the case) an Isabella and Ambrose Burnside were witnesses at the marriage.

in case they are of relevance

Marriages Mar 1858  Newcastle Tyne  10b 44 
 
BURNSIDE  Ambrose     
Miller  Isabella     

[Ceeoh]

Yes Mary says her father is John.  

Charles was 37 when they married - this is correct, he is fairly well documented.
Witnesses Isabella and Ambrose Burnside.

The "Ann" only appears (as A) for the first time 1881 census, then occurs on 1901 (as A), wills and death certificate as Ann.  Marriage certificate is just Mary.

Mary it seems was illiterate, any documentation (birth certificates, marriage certificate, wills) she makes her mark X

The Bradley family is - I think - one which Stroudie investigated, hopefully she will be able to join in soon and can recall what she found on this.

I find the Durham connection interesting - why did they go from Yorkshire to Durham to get married - then returned to Yorkshire to carry on with their lives?  The marriage was by banns so presumably they were resident there three weeks prior?

Parish Church in the Parish of Belmont.  Residence at time of marriage New Durham for both of them

Margaret

[toni*]

I find the Durham connection interesting - why did they go from Yorkshire to Durham to get married - then returned to Yorkshire to carry on with their lives?  The marriage was by banns so presumably they were resident there three weeks prior?

it was usual for the bride to be married in  her home parish and  to set up home in the grooms parish (so tradition states but who followed tradition ?)

[toni*]

i misread John as James gettign excited by the Redmarshall one 

ok so in 1851 Mary Smith with father John in Durham - Guisborugh is Co Durham isn't it


 Mary Grey aka Mary Smith b. circa 1834 Southshields  d/o John (rope maker) & Johanna [sic] - living Westoe

 Mary Johnson aka Mary Smith b. cira 1830 Bradford Yorks d/o John(coal miner)  living Haswell

 Mary Smith d/o John (coal miner)  & Elizh b. circa 1832 Hetton, living Haswell, (they have little Jane Smith there aged just 15 days awwww )

 Mary Smith d/o John(coal miner)  b. circa 1833 Ryton, living Stella,

 Mary Ann Smith d/o John (contractor) c. circa 1833 Greetham, lviing Hartlepool,

 Mary Smith d/o John(pauper)  & Eleanor b. circa  1834 Winlaton, residing do.

 Mary Ann Smith d/o John(Brewer & Malster)  & Esther b. abt 1834 Allendale Town, Northumberland,living Bishop Auckland, Durham

of course Mary might not have been at home in 1851 and perhaps i should go back through the 1841 census for anyone old enough to be Marys father called John this time instead of James

[Ceeoh]

My apologies all, just checked my grandfather's birth certificate August 1868 and I see Mary is calling herself Mary Ann as early as that.

Toni - Guisborough is North Yorkshire,  Belmont where they married is County Durham.

Where on earth is/was New Durham?   Will do a search to see any of the Marys Toni lists are living anywhere near.

Margaret

[ammonite]

New Durham is here as I am guessing they don't mean the one in New Hampshire US:
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&q=new%20durham&cr=countryUK%7CcountryGB&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

so Belmont is close.

[ammonite]

Also Belmont was a colliery area so it was likely that Charles Grout was a miner and I was just lloking at the mining sites and came across this -

http://www.dmm2.org.uk/individ0/i08275.htm

With a wife Mary Ann it seems likely to be Charles and their son Charles.

Therefore it seems likely that they were in Belmont just working at a different colliery at the time of the wedding.

[Ceeoh]

Charles senior and son Charles were both miners in the ironstone mines.  This is their headstone in Guisborough Cemetery (on the dmm site).  My great grandparents Charles and Mary Ann are interred there,  their son Charles, (in remembrance on the stone) died in a mine accident Eston Mines in 1890, he is interred in Eston Cemetery but has no headstone there.  He was married and livng in Grangetown at the time.  It is incorrect that he (the son) is interred in Guisborough Cemetery.

All four of the sons, Charles, John, George and Edward were ironstone miners at some time.

Many thanks for data from Durham Mining Museum, this is the first time I have seen this.

Charles senior later became a potato merchant!

Re Belmont and New Durham.  Belmont is now a suburb of Durham City and New Durham on the A181 must have been incredibly close and probably absorbed into the spreading city at some time. - would that have been coal mining?
I have found a picture of the Parish Church of Belmont - St Mary Magdalene which dates from 1856

Hadn't thought about Charles possibly working in the Belmont area for a while.  My grandfather was born August 1868 Brotton N Yks and as at  the 1871 census 2 April  the family were living 59 High Street Brotton.  1871 and 1881 Charles senior is an ironstone miner, 1891 1901 he was a potato merchant

Margaret