Ceeoh's Scavenger Hunt...Everyone Welcome To Join In

[Tephra]

Welcome to this weeks Scavenger Hunt, it's a little bit complicated but something I'm sure you can get your teeth in to!!!

Good Luck and Good Hunting.

Barbara

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Looking for my great grandmother Mary (Ann) Smith

The first verifiable data for Mary is the birth of her son Charles
   Charles Grouth born Guisborough North Yorkshire 13 April 1863 (from birth certificate)
   Father Charles Grouth Smith
   Mother Mary Smith formerly Smith
   Charles baptized 10 May 1863 as Charles Groat son of Mary Smith a single woman

Second son John William Grout born Skelton North Yorkshire
   Baptized 3 December 1865 son of Charles and Mary Grout

Third son George Henry Grout born Brotton North Yorkshire 4 August 1868
   Birth certificate mother Mary Grout formerly Smith

Mary Smith and Charles Grout marry 23 August 1869 Belmont County Durham (from certificate)
   Mary gives her age as 30 (making her birth c1839) and says she is a single woman
   Mary gives her father's name as John Smith agricultural labourer

Two more children born after Mary and Charles marry (Edward and Emma)

1871 census Brotton
   Mary Grout age 31 born Guisbro
   With husband Charles
      Sons - Joseph Smith (14), Charles Grout, John Grout, Geo Grout

1881 census Guisborough
   Mary A Grout 41 born Gisbro
   With husband and Grout children - no Joseph Smith

1891 census Guisborough
   Mary Grout age 56 (making her birth c1832) born Guisborough
   With husband, two children and a grandchild

1901 census Guisborough
   Mary A Grout age 63 (making her birth c1838) born "Oggeven " or  "Eggeven" near York
   Lodginghouse keeper
   With husband

4 February 1906  death Mary Ann Grout aged 72 years (making her birth c1834), interred Guisborough Cemetery

Charles Grout's will bequeaths all to his wife Mary Ann Grout.  Mary Ann Grout makes her mark

Mary's will is made in the name of Mary Ann Grout.  Mary Ann Grout makes her mark
 
No record on freebmd of Mary's birth
No record found on any parish registers, Guisborough, Skelton, Brotton
Mary (and Joseph age 4?) not found on 1861 census.  Charles Grout whom she eventually married in 1869 was in Whitby 1861 census
1851 census there is a Mary Smith age 15 born Brotton, working in Skelton

Joseph Smith born Guisborough, assumed illegitimate son of Mary Smith, appears 1871 census
No registration for his birth
1881 census there is a Joseph Smith and family living next door to Mary and Charles Grout, his chidren have the same names as Charles and Mary.  He is the same age as the 1871 census Joseph would be.  Marriage certificate shows this Joseph as Joseph Wingrove Smith married to Margaret Lynn.  Father Joseph Wingrove Smith, does not say father is deceased
 
 
 
 

[toni*]

i'll be in and out

[Tephra]

Wow...............took you a while to get here Toni         

[toni*]

and i'm stil the first
 

[toni*]

Mary born 1830ish from marriage cert an 1834ish from death cert what do the censuses say?

also wwhere does Mary say she was born on census?

age at death is what the informant belived the deceased to be and not necciasrily what age they were, who was the informant ?

[Ceeoh]

Sorry  forgot to add (isn't it always the case) an Isabella and Ambrose Burnside were witnesses at the marriage.

Mary's age at census returns:
1871   31   making her birth c1840
1881   41       ..       ..     ..     c1840
1891   56       ..       ..     ..     c1834
1901   63       ..       ..     ..     c1837

Place of birth 1871 to 1891 always given as Guisborough.
1901 it becomes Oggeven or Eggeven near York (neither place exists)

Informant on death certificate was E Grout, daughter-in-law who I believe to be my grandmother Eleanor (married to George Grout).   Mary died 93 Westgate Guisborough, and my grandparents had a pub at number 59 Westgate, it would seem logical. 

I have asked "Stroudie" another descendant of Mary to join in the discussions here.  Stroudie is the g-g-grandaughter of Mary and has done a lot of research looking for her.

Margaret

[heywood]

Here's one to look at please:

1861 RG9; Piece: 3655; Folio: 10; Page: 13
Guisborough  - can't read address sorry

James Bradley 39 yrs Ag Labourer b Coxwold
Mary Bradley 26yrs  b Ovingham  (not sure that's what it says at all)
Joseph Bradley 4 yrs b Guisborough

at the moment - can't see them anywhere else  

heywood

[toni*]

How old is Charles on the marriage cert and who were the witnesses?

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in 1841 Durham we have just 6 May Ann Smiths b. 1832 +/- 2 years

Mary Ann Smith Darlington, Durham  looks to be with William as father
 Mary Ann Smith Monkwearmouth, Durham with a williamson family
 Mary Ann Smith Jarrow, Durham  at Dean Mill Pub, with the Publican there beign MR Gray no other smiths

Mary Ann Smith Redmarshall, Durham  HO107;  317; : 17;  5; 4; with James as the head of that family an ag lab (interesting)  

 Mary Ann Smith Auckland, Durham  - cant find her 

Mary Ann Smith Lanchester,[sic]  Durham looks to be father William
and 56 Mary Smiths (hope you were sitting down then )

i think the best thing to do would be to find each of these an chek to see if they have aJames Smith with them who could possibly be their fathr remembering that relationships werent given and then find these in later census to rule them out.

many hands make light work  
starting with the Mary Anns i have listed above

(ps when do you think she assumed the Ann part of her name? from bitrh ? or later on Charles birth cert, did she sign or make her mark persuming she was the informant)

[heywood]

Isn't her father John