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« on: Monday 30 November 09 11:09 GMT (UK) »
Hi, Wonder if anyone can help.  In one of my trees I have a marriage certificate for a Ann Simpson married to William Slingsby in Sheffield 1860.  Her father is named as Thomas Simpson a scale cutter. Thinking to trace anne simpsons family I sent for her birth certificate which has just arrived.  This is where the mystery starts.  Her mothers name is given as Mary Ann Simpson but the name, and occupation of the father has got a line through it. Making me think that she was illigitimate.  The date was may 1839. I can only think that her mother and father when they eventually married both had the same surname. But looking through the marriages on free bmd from 1939 onwards cant find a marriage for them.  I found a marriage for a Mary Ann Simpson and a Thomas Anderson in Knaresbrough in 1939 but obvously that can,t be them.  Does anyone have any other explanation for this?  Many thanks Pat       :-\    Hope this makes sense.
SHEFFIELD:  hobson, bacon, pashley, sharman, brook(s) brooke(s), wilford, slingsby, lee, flint, fowlston(e), Foulston(e), wheatley, taylor, ward.
RAVENSTONEDALE/KENDAL:  udall
MALTON: udall, ruddock, hudson
WOLVERHAMPTON/STOKE ON TRENT: brook(s), brooke(s)
DONCASTER:  slingsby, bagshaw, steph(v)enson, scofield, foster, pashley, stanley.
DERBY: lee
BRADFORD: wilford
ROTHERHAM: straw, frost, shaw, higgins, fowlston(e), foulston(e), flint, pashley, hobson

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Re: mysterious
« Reply #1 on: Monday 30 November 09 11:41 GMT (UK) »
Hi Pat

Have you been able to see Ann Simpson on the census at all?

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Re: mysterious
« Reply #2 on: Monday 30 November 09 11:47 GMT (UK) »
Hi Evie, the only one I found was a Sarah Simpson living at Blue Boy Street aged 3yrs living with parents Thomas 25yrs and Mary 25yrs wth a brother Joseph 4yrs. Thomas,s occupation Bone scale cutter.  Regards Pat
SHEFFIELD:  hobson, bacon, pashley, sharman, brook(s) brooke(s), wilford, slingsby, lee, flint, fowlston(e), Foulston(e), wheatley, taylor, ward.
RAVENSTONEDALE/KENDAL:  udall
MALTON: udall, ruddock, hudson
WOLVERHAMPTON/STOKE ON TRENT: brook(s), brooke(s)
DONCASTER:  slingsby, bagshaw, steph(v)enson, scofield, foster, pashley, stanley.
DERBY: lee
BRADFORD: wilford
ROTHERHAM: straw, frost, shaw, higgins, fowlston(e), foulston(e), flint, pashley, hobson

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Re: mysterious
« Reply #3 on: Monday 30 November 09 11:53 GMT (UK) »
Hi

Where was Ann born - does it have a street name?

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Re: mysterious
« Reply #4 on: Monday 30 November 09 11:55 GMT (UK) »
Hi Ambly, yes she was born at Copper Street, Sheffield, which is also recorded as the residence of her mother Mary Ann. Regards Pat
SHEFFIELD:  hobson, bacon, pashley, sharman, brook(s) brooke(s), wilford, slingsby, lee, flint, fowlston(e), Foulston(e), wheatley, taylor, ward.
RAVENSTONEDALE/KENDAL:  udall
MALTON: udall, ruddock, hudson
WOLVERHAMPTON/STOKE ON TRENT: brook(s), brooke(s)
DONCASTER:  slingsby, bagshaw, steph(v)enson, scofield, foster, pashley, stanley.
DERBY: lee
BRADFORD: wilford
ROTHERHAM: straw, frost, shaw, higgins, fowlston(e), foulston(e), flint, pashley, hobson

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Re: mysterious
« Reply #5 on: Monday 30 November 09 12:20 GMT (UK) »
are you sure you have the right Anne Simpsons birth cert ?

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Re: mysterious
« Reply #6 on: Monday 30 November 09 12:24 GMT (UK) »
In 1871, Ann's mother is living with them...
Mary Ann SIMSPON age 58, Charwoman, widow, b Sheffield
RG10/ Piece: 4681/ Folio: 15/ Page: 24/

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Re: mysterious
« Reply #7 on: Monday 30 November 09 12:38 GMT (UK) »
Where's Ann & William SLINGBY in 1861, do you know?

Eldest child on 1871 is age 8, b Sheffield.
William H SLINGBY is 32, b Doncaster, a F----k?? Maker

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Re: mysterious
« Reply #8 on: Monday 30 November 09 12:52 GMT (UK) »
 my thoughts

Anne could well be the illigitimate child fo Mary Ann Simpson who went on to marry Thomas Anderson and when Anne married using her birth name they could have asked her for her fathers name and she couldhave simply said Thomas.
 
who were the witnesses on the marriage cert ?

Mary Ann Simpson was born circa 1813 Sheffield then (according to the census)
Anne was born circa 1839
Mary Ann would have been 26







Holman & Vinton- Cornwall, Wojciechowskyj & Hussak- Bukowiec & Zahutyn, Bentley & Richards- Leicester, Taylor-Kent/Sussex  Punnett-Sussex,  Bear/e- Monkleigh Gazey-Warwicks

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