Boys and Girls Refuges and Childrens Aid society.

[Mr. MIGKY]

Gooday & welcome Jolleygirl, it might be worth asking on Wiganworld web forum?

Click 4 Wigan world

Migky 

[Mr. MIGKY]

Have you found his birth? and do you  have his birth certificate? What was his mothers name and have found a marriage for her?
His birth year could be out?
I could only see one birth that fitted but was born March 1/4 1860 Wigan.

Click 4 Henry's birth

It is a bit of a catch 22, you can't prove he is illegitimate with out a birth certificate and you can't prove which is the correct birth without parents names 

Migky 

[JolleyGirl]

Hi Migky,

Thanks for all that info.  No birth or birth certificate.  We know he was called Harry, but is listed in a few Census docs as Henry.  We have not found a birth or birth certificate, just marriage certificate for him.  Funny that he wouldn't list his dad though.

You're right, that could be him.  Hard to know as there were a lot of Jolley's in and around Wigan working in the mines.  Could be worth me ordering the certificate do you think - just in case?

It's quite tricky really because I have certainly found a few discrepancies with people's right names, right spelling and right year of birth in all the records I've searched for my genealogy.

 

[thefisherman37]

I have been in touch with Liz Sykes from the Together Trust, I just would like to say a very big thank you to her, she couldn't have helped me anymore, I'm so greatfull for the information she gave me. Thank you Joanne.

[FAB Fiona]

I too had great help from Toby in the past for my gt grandmother and her siblings from 1896 for a few years!

I am now wondering where the records for Culceth cottage homes might be?  Were they under the auspices of the Leonard Shaw or another benefactor - or... which Poor Law Union would they have come under? 

And if the house mother adopted a little girl, where might the records be?

Many thanks

Fiona

[kaz1056]

I was directed to this page after asking for info on above
I found a relative for one of my family trees
1901 census inmate north manchester boys and girls refuges and childrens aid society age 17 noted to be a firewood chopper
after looking at all the other posts i tried
http://www.togethertrust.org.uk/togethertrust/archive_research.php?area=togethertrust&s1=6 to look for the contact archivist at the time Liz Sykes but could not see anything
just wondered if this was still available

[JDGen]

Hi Kaz1056,

Try sending Liz a personal message - she was online in November so is likely to pick it up even if she doesn't see your post here.

Jean

[GMCT_archivist]

Hi Migky

George Müller founded a faith-based orphanage in Bristol in 1834 - he made no appeals or advertising, but relied solely on God, through prayer, to meet the needs of the orphanage.

During his lifetime (he died in 1898), he cared for over 10,000 "full" orphans (ie children who had lost both parents or, in a couple of rare cases, one had died but the other was in a mental home with no hope of recovery).  From 1901 until the homes closed in the mid-1980s, "partial" orphans were also admitted.

The George Müller Charitable Trust holds the records for all the children who passed through the doors of the orphanages (Müller's own house plus three other rented houses in Wilson Street, from 1834 - 1849, then five purpose-built homes on Ashley Down to the early 1950s, and then to smaller "family" units until we stopped residential care in the 80s).

There are admission registers showing the detail of the child's admission, dismissal registers (cross-referred to the admission registers) for all but the last few years, showing when the child left and where they went, plus files containing assorted paperwork relating to the admission.  We don't know what is in each file until it has been retrieved from the archive, but sometimes there are marriage and death certificates relating to the parents, and birth certificates for the child(ren).

For descendants, we do have to make a charge for copying these.  Visitors are welcome, but we do ask for a fortnight's notice and we have to charge £20 access fee - but this includes a copy of the admission and dismissal registers.  A copy of the file will cost an additional £30.

There is also a small museum at the Trust's HQ in Cotham Park, Bristol.

Contact details are on www.mullers.org.

Regards

Alan

Since that post, we have changed our charging structure.

A visit to the museum to view the records now costs £5.

If copies are desired, we charge £15 for a CD with the records as .JPG images, £25 for paper copies, or £35 for both.