Clara Emma Catherine MARTIN

[cando]

Whroo is south of Rushworth, Victoria.  Google maps.

Cheers
Cando
        

[wendy1]

Isnt it funny how now the name martin has changed to martyn.

[cando]

It actually hasn't changed at all.  You will notice the parish record of their marriage in 1820 is in the name of MARTIN.  The enumerator on the 1841 census has obviously assumed it was MARTYN.  However that is not to say the spelling of names doesn't change over time.  Many people were illiterate and had accents.... I guess it depends on the interpretation of the person recording their name.

I will have a look for the BROOKFIELD family in London later.   There are a number of Catherine BARRY's who emigrated before 1859.  I or someone else, will have to find her death registration to work out which one is your Catherine.

Cheers
Cando

[wendy1]

Thank you Cando for all your big effort tonight its late now , it is about that time to rest and sleep on news of the past family details, and yes your right about the name not changing and the reasons for the error. I will be back in here tomorrow for a while I'M so pleased you came in when you did and your sense of direction to take leading to the right infomation.
with kind regards
wendy1

[cando]

Wendy the information should be validated with the occasional certificate.

Possibly Sarah's birth

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

Births Dec  qtr 1858 
BROOKFIELD Sarah  Bethnal G  1c/312

Marriages Sep qtr  1850   
BROOKFIELD John   Hackney 3/164   
HUBIE Louisa     Hackney   3/164

1851 Census        HO107/1541/493/92
Living at 2 Gossett Street, Bethnal Green, Middlesex
BROOKFIELD  John  Head Married  23 years Chairmaker   Born Shoreditch, Middlesex
BROOKFIELD  Louisa Wife Married 22 years  Silk Filler  Born Spitalfields, Middlesex

I can't find them on the 1861 census.....perhaps someone else can.

They were obviously still living in the Bethnal Green prior to to their departure as Joseph aged 1 on the shipping record was born....

Births Dec 1870   
BROOKFIELD Joseph  Bethnal Green 1c/310

Louisa's death with incorrect father's name.  John BROOKFIELD was her husband and her maiden name was HUBIE.

BROOKFIELD Louisa
Father Brookfield Jno   Mother Thas Hubie UNKNOWN
74 years  1902  At  Malvern   Reg#2365

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0bq/
Extracted record
HUBIE Louisa   
Baptism  27 Apr 1828  Spitalfields Christ Church, Stepney, London Eng
Father Philip HUBIE   Mother Frances

and

BROOKFIELD  John
Born  25 Apr 1827     
Baptism 20 May 1827  Saint Leonards, Shoreditch, London Eng
Father Alexander BROOKFIELD  Mother Ann

Death
BROOKFIELD John
Father Alexander  Mother Anne SUTER
64 years at Collingwood   1891  Reg#14559

http://www.deceasedsearch.com/index.php
St Kilda Cemetery
BROOKFIELD John 
64 years   Date of service 3 Oct 1891
Burial     Church of England Monumental Grave Compartment B Grave#065

BROOKFIELD Louise
74 years  Date of service 28 Mar 1902
Burial  Church of England Monumental Grave Compartment B Grave #063

Memorial Inscription
Grave#063 & #065
Henry LEEK, late of Woverhampton,
died at St Kilda  20 Feb 1870
also Ann DAY  1 Oct 1877
John BROOKFIELD  2 Oct 1891
Louisa BROOKFIELD, wife of above 26 Mar 1902
Emma Ann O'CONNOR, dtr of above  9 Feb 1912
also Mary Ann GODIER   22 Nov 1913
   
Cheers
Cando

[cando]

Wendy the speculative research ie for shipping records and census for the MARTIN family would need to be checked.   The only way forward really is to purchase the marriage of Arthur and Catherine.  Many times, especially late at night, it is easy to assume you have found the right people..ie the facts appear to match. 


Death

MARTIN Catherine
Father BARRY Denis  Mother Catherine OLEARY
78 years at Rushworth  1918  Reg#10688

Her death certificate should show her place of birth, ie if the informant had the knowledge.

If I can find Arthur's death it may either confirm or eliminate Vincent MARTIN as his father.  Will have to search later though.  Someone else is sure to pick up and help....and more than likely disprove what I have found

Cheers
Cassie

[cando]

I have tracked the wrong MARTIN family in the UK but I did write in my post...this may be Arthur arriving   

This could be his death....Baillieston is near Whroo.

MARTIN Arthur
Father Thomas  Mother Lydia SKIPON
54 years  At Bailleston [correct sp is Baillieston]  1892  Reg#4775

and an extracted record....phew...I needed to redeem myself after that faux pas

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0bq/
MARTIN Thomas:
SKIPPON Lydia         
13 Oct 1835 at  Beccles, Suffolk, England

Births Mar qtr 1838   
MARTIN    Arthur    Hoxne 13/394
The district Hoxne spans the boundaries of the counties of Norfolk and Suffolk.

I won't search any further as you really need the 1859 marriage cert to validate this. 

Cheers
Cando



 

[judb]

EDIT:  I think there may be a better match shown below   

Hmmm - on IGI there is a baptism for Arthur MARTIN, born Hoxne Suffolk (no date given), baptised 2 June 1839 (no indication of where the baptism took place as the record is contained in Suffolk County Bishops' Transcripts which are extracts from many parishes). 

Parents for this Arthur are listed as Charles MARTIN and Lydia.  Possibly a mistranscription, although there are a number of siblings listed, with same parents.

Judith

[wendy1]

dear Cando,
I took your advice and got the marraige cert between Arthur MARTIN and Catherine  MARTIN.
Catherines maidan name is BARRY.thay were married I will attached the extract of the certificate.
thay were married on the 7th feb 1857, at St Francis Church Melbourne, Arthur MARTINS father is Thomas MARTIN mother is Lydia SKEPPON. Thomas was a clergyman.
Catherines Father is Darrin BARRY  mother is Kate SEARY, Minister was John BARRY. Arthur was born in Norfolk England.Catherine in County Cork Irland. now Im not sure as to what I should be doing.