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Patrick Evers 1839-1899
« on: Sunday 29 November 09 16:32 GMT (UK) »
Hi everyone, :-\
Have just started looking into my newly discovered Irish ancestors.
I found out about two months ago my G.Grandfather x3 was born in Ireland
possibly Co. Westmeath and was wondering where best to find his mother's
information, birth place etc.
I do not know her name, but have a name for his father from his wedding certificate in 1871
"Richard" (Evers) presumably, and who was listed as living with Patrick in Liverpool (again from the wedding certificate).
I have found a Richard Evers on a website born in 1828, but a death registry for 1890 (8b 164) has him down for 62 years old at the time of his death which does not tally as Richard would have been 11 years old when Patrick was born ???
Richard is also listed as being born in Co. Kildare, but can not find a marriage for him?
I would be very grateful if anyone could help me with this one as both parents seem to be a bit of a challenge  :D

Thank you in anticipation

Christine :)
Evers/ Wilcock/ Ingham/ Hodgson/ Kelly/O'Sullivan/Hayden/McCracken

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Re: Patrick Evers 1839-1899
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 29 November 09 16:38 GMT (UK) »
Have moved this thread to Ireland-General since it's really not clear where in Ireland Patrick Evers did come from.
If Patrick was born c1839 then there'll be no birth certificate but to find a church baptism (if it exists) to get names (possibly) of both parents you'll need to know a location in ireland (parish if not actual townland).
Any chance that Patrick was still living in England at time of 1911 census? No guarantee but many people seem to have found that 1911 census lists a more exact birthplace than 'Ireland' or the name of the county.

Patrick Evers thread on Lancashire board:
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,419582.0/topicseen.html
Away sorting out DNA matches... I may be gone for some time many years!

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Re: Patrick Evers 1839-1899
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 29 November 09 17:07 GMT (UK) »
Hello,
aghadowey, thank you for that. No sorry have found death for Patrick (8b 220) Jan-Mar 1899 in W. Derby Liverpool.
You don't hold out much luck then?  ???
Can you suggest a good site on the Irish web to look for a baptism? (if there are any). He and his
 family seem to be of Roman Catholic religion if that is any help?
Christine
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Evers/ Wilcock/ Ingham/ Hodgson/ Kelly/O'Sullivan/Hayden/McCracken

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Re: Patrick Evers 1839-1899
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 29 November 09 17:22 GMT (UK) »
You could search all over Ireland and find a baptism for a Patrick Evers but no guarantee you've found the right one. You really do need to know a place to see if any church records still exist.
Away sorting out DNA matches... I may be gone for some time many years!


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Re: Patrick Evers 1839-1899
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 29 November 09 17:45 GMT (UK) »
Alright then,
Thank you again.
Chris
Evers/ Wilcock/ Ingham/ Hodgson/ Kelly/O'Sullivan/Hayden/McCracken

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Re: Patrick Evers 1839-1899
« Reply #5 on: Monday 16 August 10 07:17 BST (UK) »
hello chrissy,
there are a lot of eivers here in kildare, other variations of the name are ivers, ivors.
spelling wasn't great years so you need to try all possible variations.
hope this helps you in some way.
best wishes
cyril walsh
MAYO walsh, groonell, connolly, hennelly, reany,
KILDARE jacob, callan, byrne, herbert, duggan, mcgrath, danagher, farrell, mc evoy, ward, o brien.
WESTMEATH nolan, deegan, duggan berry, tiernan, mccormack,duffy,murray.

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Re: Patrick Evers 1839-1899
« Reply #6 on: Monday 16 August 10 09:36 BST (UK) »
Christine,

As others have said, you need to find out the townland that Richard came from in Ireland before you can look for a baptism or marriage for him. Otherwise you are really just guessing. Statutory records of births, deaths and Roman Catholic marriages only started in 1864 in Ireland, so your only chance of tracing his marriage and birth is through RC church records. Catholic records are available on microfilm in the National Library in Kildare St, in Dublin (website : http://www.nli.ie/), but you need to find that townland first before they will be of any use.

There are a few options for you to thinks about:

1.   Did Patrick leave a will in England? If so get a copy, as it may name or refer to relatives still in Ireland, giving an address.
2.   Did Patrick ever make a Poor Law application in England? (Financial assistance). If so, the records often contain details of his parish in Ireland.
3.   Have a look for Patrick in all the English censuses from 1891 back to the first in 1841. If you can find him, his place of birth may just be given as Ireland but sometimes you get a county or even an exact place (often scored out by the enumerator and replaced with “Ireland” but can still be legible).
4.   Did Patrick have any siblings that you know about? If so try and make enquiries about them, as obviously they could lead you back to his Irish origins.

What I would say is that this will not be easy. You should also be aware that there are gaps in the Irish records (lots of parishes didn’t bother keeping records of births, deaths or marriages, and all the Irish censuses from 1841 – 1891 have been destroyed) and prior to 1800 there is very little to go on.


Elwyn
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Re: Patrick Evers 1839-1899
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 19 August 10 18:52 BST (UK) »
Hi all,
Thank you for your help and tips. I am afraid I don't know the answers to any of your questions Elwyn as I only found out about Patrick early on this year. :-\
Cyril, thank you also I believe the name has many variations as you pointed out,I Believe it to mean son of Ivor from the Danes/Viking area ???
Its all very interesting unfortunately there are no records I can trace now. Never mind may get lucky one day :D
Thanks again
Christine.
Evers/ Wilcock/ Ingham/ Hodgson/ Kelly/O'Sullivan/Hayden/McCracken