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Re: mclarens perthshire
« Reply #117 on: Wednesday 30 March 22 19:50 BST (UK) »
Thanks...I will look into him further

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Re: mclarens perthshire
« Reply #118 on: Wednesday 30 March 22 23:08 BST (UK) »
All I have is name and picture. No information on birth dates or anything. He may gave resided in or near Stanley, Perthshire

What brought William to your attention, must've been something, somewhere?

There must be something we can work from to try & work out who he may be?

Annie

South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: mclarens perthshire
« Reply #119 on: Thursday 31 March 22 00:46 BST (UK) »
Hi Annie, here is a little more background....
My grandfather, David Kennedy, was born on the 3rd of August, 1877 in Stanley, Perthshire, Scotland to Jane Kennedy. No father is given on the birth records, and Jane was unmarried at the time. Jane’s occupation was domestic servant and the story passed down in the family, which of course could be false, was that the father was her employer, and that he was wealthy. The picture I attached earlier of the supposed father shows a gentleman who appears to be well dressed and would suggest someone reasonably well off (nothing written on the back of the picture to identify him). According to the story passed down his name was William McLaren. There are a couple of reasons why I think the McLaren part is correct:
•   My grandfather added McLaren to his surname after he immigrated to South Africa in the early 1900’s – that is the first time we see McLaren-Kennedy on any records. There must have been a reason, and the only one I can think of is that it was his father’s name.
•   In the 1881 census my grandfather was being cared for by his grandparents (his mother married James Sharp in 1880 and moved away from Stanley) and he is the only one in the family not listed as Kennedy, but as David McLaren. However, the 1891 census, when he was 13, listed him as David Kennedy. In neither census was his mother living with her parents.
So that is my interest in William. I would like to know more about the McLaren side of the family....

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Re: mclarens perthshire
« Reply #120 on: Thursday 31 March 22 03:34 BST (UK) »
Thank you David M-K for the background...

It was quite common for illegitimate children to be brought up by the surname of the 'reputed' father or the surname of the 'reputed' father being given as a middle name.

I had a look for a possible Paternity Decree for David but nothing showing, however...

I found one for a John Kennedy b 29 Mar 1873, mother named Jane Kennedy!

I wonder if John was also an illegitimate child of your Jane & if so, the father has been found & the details of the record can be ordered here for a decent fee...

https://www.oldscottish.com/fathers-found-k.html

Transcription of birth...https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQ2L-GGC

This is the entry on SP...

KENNEDY JOHN 1873 - 330/ 18 Auchtergaven (Perth) which includes Stanley

I haven't looked for John in 1881 (you didn't mention if he was with the g/parents too) but I don't see a death for him 1873 - 1881.
The address of his birth would help to decide if he was the son of your Jane & if one of the g/parents was the informant, that would help further.

Have you searched for a William McLaren in 1881.

Did David name William as his father on his marriage cert. & what was the occ. given for William?

Annie






South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"


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Re: mclarens perthshire
« Reply #121 on: Saturday 02 April 22 01:34 BST (UK) »
Annie, you are a genius! That very possibly could be the same Jane. In 1873 she would have been 19. Lets hope in this case the father was also William and not someone else. There was no John in the census records except for Janes's brother (10+ years older than her).
Supposedly Jane was a domestic servant and I did find a William McLaren on Leadmore Farm about 4.5 miles from Stanley...in fact Jane lived with her family on Duchess Street in Stanley and if you follow Duchess Street into the country it leads directly to Leadmore Farm. I have written to the farm but have had no response. In the 1871 census Jane was living at home working at Stanley Mill. In the 1881 census she is not listed since she had married and moved away from Stanley (my grandfather was then living with his grandparents). Unfortunately there is no census records listing her as a servant on the farm otherwise the puzzle would be easily solved one way or the other.
David

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Re: mclarens perthshire
« Reply #122 on: Saturday 02 April 22 02:54 BST (UK) »
I was a bit hesitant in being persistent but it may pay off?

John Kennedy b 29 Mar 1873, mother Jane Kennedy!

This is the entry on SP...

KENNEDY JOHN 1873 - 330/ 18 Auchtergaven (Perth) which includes Stanley

I forgot to mention, you could compare the signature of Jane on both John & David's birth records provided Jane registered both herself.

I discovered 4 illegitimate children by the same mother by the signature!

I hope you look at the BC for John & order the Paternity Decree if the address & signature look a possibility  ;)

Let us know the outcome!

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

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Re: mclarens perthshire
« Reply #123 on: Saturday 02 April 22 04:11 BST (UK) »
I did find a William McLaren on Leadmore Farm about 4.5 miles from Stanley...

Unfortunately you gave no details of William i.e. his age/yob or any other details but this may be of interest for a small fee?

Wills and testaments...

MacLaren William - 1/8/1911 - Ledmore, Stanley, d. 16/10/1910 at Ledmore, intestate.
Perth Sheriff Court - SC49/31/216

Death index (posted by Bleckie earlier in the thread) made me smile...

"the story passed down in the family, which of course could be false, was that the father was her employer, and that he was wealthy"

Were they referring to the famous Andrew  ;D

MCLAREN WILLIAM 70 - CARNEGIE (mms) - 1910 - 330/ 19 Auchtergaven

The Proprietor of the Farm of Leadmore/Ledmore was the Duke of Athole &...

MACLAREN WILLIAM - Tenant Occupier - FARM OF LEDMORE - AUCHTERGAVEN
1875 VR011300021-

It may be worth contacting Throth (www.borenich.co.uk) who posts here on RC?

Annie





South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

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Re: mclarens perthshire
« Reply #124 on: Saturday 02 April 22 12:21 BST (UK) »
Annie, I forgot to mention that my grandfather got married in South Africa and on the marriage certificates there at the time they they only had a question "who gave consent". My grandfather wrote "own". Also, his birth certificate does not record a father.