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St Marys Industrial School, Bishopbrigs
« on: Saturday 28 November 09 12:02 GMT (UK) »
Looking to find imformation on St Marys Industrial School, Bishopbrigs,
Why would a child be admitted to it ? Who ran the school, etc

Kind regards Jane
Molloy, Gallagher, Monaghan, O'Donnell Co Donegal

Provan Collins Govan Glasgow
McGivney, Molloy Craigneuk Wishaw Motherwell

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Re: St Marys Industrial School, Bishopbrigs
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 28 November 09 14:49 GMT (UK) »
Hi Jane,

Google
Scotland in 19th century 16.4
Should be first hit - Reformatories and Industrial schools

Paints a rather grim picture but later I think the nature of Industrial Schools changed. It gives details of origins and set up of schools.
St. Mary`s Abercromby Street, Glasgow served as an Orphanage and educational facility for the less fortunate. Gave them a chance in life.

I will PM some of the info I found in case it is of use.

Cheers
Ogleway

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Re: St Marys Industrial School, Bishopbrigs
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 28 November 09 15:00 GMT (UK) »
My relative was sent to the school to live there, after his family hit hard times
Molloy, Gallagher, Monaghan, O'Donnell Co Donegal

Provan Collins Govan Glasgow
McGivney, Molloy Craigneuk Wishaw Motherwell

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Re: St Marys Industrial School, Bishopbrigs
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 29 November 09 16:34 GMT (UK) »
Hope the info I PM`d was useful as was the site I suggested.
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Re: St Marys Industrial School, Bishopbrigs
« Reply #4 on: Monday 30 November 09 14:05 GMT (UK) »
Does anybody know if there are any records kept for St Marys industrial school in Bishopbrigs

kind regards Jane
Molloy, Gallagher, Monaghan, O'Donnell Co Donegal

Provan Collins Govan Glasgow
McGivney, Molloy Craigneuk Wishaw Motherwell

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Re: St Marys Industrial School, Bishopbrigs
« Reply #5 on: Monday 30 November 09 15:40 GMT (UK) »
Guys, as far as I know it was more or less, the Borstal.....Skoosh.

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Re: St Marys Industrial School, Bishopbrigs
« Reply #6 on: Monday 30 November 09 17:39 GMT (UK) »
If any survived the Mitchell, Catholic Archives (now searchable online) will have them. Or they should be able to tell you who has them/or if they survived.

Did you get the info I researched and  PM`d to you?
Was it and site I gave of any use to you?

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Re: St Marys Industrial School, Bishopbrigs
« Reply #7 on: Monday 30 November 09 19:58 GMT (UK) »
Found this on another forum, it seems the Bishopbriggs school was for boys





Information extracted from the “Fifty-Fourth Report, for the Year 1910, of the Inspector Appointed, under the Provisions of the Act 5 & 6 Will. IV. C. 38, to Visit the Certified Reformatory and Industrial Schools of Great Britain."

The categories are Certified Reformatory Schools, Certified Industrial Schools, Certified Short-term Industrial Schools and Certified Day Industrial Schools.

There are four R.C. Certified Industrial Schools listed under Lanark. Two of these have St. Mary’s in the name. The other two are Slatefield Industrial School for R.C. Boys, Gallowgate, Glasgow, and Dalbeth Industrial School for R.C. Girls, Dalbeth House, Parkhead, Glasgow.)

The only R.C. Certified Reformatory School listed for Lanark is Parkhead R.C. Reformatory for Boys at West Thorn, Tollcross, Glasgow.

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St. Mary's Roman Catholic Orphanage and Industrial School for Boys, Kenmure, Bishopbriggs, Glasgow. Certified for 200 boys, July 18, 1905. Original certificate November 25, 1862, C.M., Very Rev. Canon Dyer, 68, Abereromby Street, Glasgow.
(Detailed report p.155)

St. Mary's Roman Catholic Industrial School for Girls, Abercromby Street, Glasgow. Certified for 190 girls, November 25, 1862. C.M., The Sister Superior.
(Detailed report p218)

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(p.155)
Glasgow R.C. Orphanage.

Visited.—9th and 10th March, and 4th October, 1910.

Inmates.—Total number in school, 200; voluntary cases, 0; on licence, 14; absconders, 1.

Staff.—Superintendent, Mr. A. Mathieson. Matron and nurse, Miss Fraser, M.D. Head schoolmistress, Miss E. L. Hopegood (t. and c.), left 14th July, 1910, and was succeeded temporarily by Mrs. T. Sullivan (c.) on the same day. Miss S. A. Bradley (c.) was appointed on 14th September, 1910. First assistant schoolmistress, Mrs. W. Cadahy (t. and c.), left on 29th April, 1910, and Miss B. McLoughlin (t. and c.) was appointed on 1st May, left on 15th September, and was succeeded by Miss Dooley on 8th October. Second assistant school-mistress, Mrs. Malone (ex-p.t). Joiner and manual instructor, tailor, shoemaker, baker, engineer, and bandmaster. Change of yardmaster, assistant yardmaster, handyman, labourer, outdoor officer. Changes of kitchen-maid and laundress.

Premises.—The premises were clean and in good order through-out. A partition was being put up at one end of the dining-room to make a small recreation-room.

Standards with awards.—Standard VI, 12, good (just); Standard V, 30, very fair; Standard IV, 47, very fair; Standard III, 38, very fair; Standard II, 32,.good; Standard I. 31, good; Preparatory, 8, newcomers. The general award is very fair.

Class subjects.—Singing (sol-fa), good. Composition, very fair. Recitation, very fair generally, good in I and II. Mental arithmetic, good in I, II, and VI, fair in V and III, poor in IV. Geography, very fair in V and VI, good, elsewhere. History readers have been used. Object lessons in the juniors have been started.

Industrial training.—Drawing is good generally—geometrical drawing needs further attention in the upper standards. Manual instruction is good, and good technical lessons are given in the tailoring, shoemaking, and banking departments; the work in the tailor's shop being particularly noteworthy. The garden boys get a practical training, and the technical lessons by the superintendent, which have been in abeyance owing to illness, are to be resumed. The upper standards are also given a weekly lesson by the engineer on machinery. Of 87 boys in the school of the age of 13 and over, 71 are regularly employed in skilled occupations. Of 25 boys disposed of during 1909, 19 went to skilled occupations. The band is very fair.

Physical training, &c.—All go through a course of Swedish drill, and exercises with clubs and dumb-bells. The display will be improved when the new instructor has infused more smartness into the work. A squad gave a creditable display over the horse. Foot-ball is played and the school have won several matches.

Health.—A boy died suddenly in July from meningitis. A boy suffering from hernia was operated on in the infirmary. There was a case of fractured elbow and some boys have suffered with their eyes, but the health during the year has been generally good. There is no regular inspection of the teeth, but boys are sent to a dentist for extraction when considered necessary.

Conduct.—There were four cases of absconding (three boys getting away together), but all were promptly recovered. A few cases of disobedience and boyish offences, and a fair number of schoolroom punishments complete the list. The general conduct is good. There is no mark system, but well-behaved boys are allowed home on Sundays.

General remarks.—The frequent changes in the teaching staff have necessarily impared the schoolroom results. An improvement may be expected next year. In other respects the school appears to be doing very well.

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Re: St Marys Industrial School, Bishopbrigs
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 01 December 09 11:28 GMT (UK) »
Sancti,  you've omitted the salient point of how ones forebears ended up in an Industrial School (Catholic or otherwise) the reports you mention could equally pass for Eton or Harrow! whilst some kids were unfortunate enough to end up there due to family circumstances, the bulk were sent there by the courts and shocking places they were!......Skoosh.