ALDERDICE of Derriaghy

[Mykin]

I am having great difficulty getting passed my gr. grandparents, John Partridge and Jane Alderdice. They were married  in1850.I have Jane as b.1831 and John b.1810.They were from Aghlaslone. I was told that John's father's name was Edward and that's all I know. I tried to get the marriage cert. of John and Jane to find the parents names but Proni couldn't find anything.
I don't have ancestry.com. Is there anything else that I could look the name up. I have tried Emerald ancestors also.
That would make Edwards birth about  1780-1785?
Any help is appreciated.

[aghadowey]

Ancestry have very few Irish records but 1911 Irish census (1901 to be added soon) and index to civil registration are both online (free). There are alos lots of other links listed in Antrim Resources at the top of this board.
Do you know what religion John and Jane were? Registration of Catholic marriages began 1864 but from 1845 for other marriages.

[Mykin]

The religion of all of the Partridges was Church of Ireland and so far their marriages all took place in Lisburn Cathedral. The earlier marriages could very well be Christ Church, Derriaghy. I see some information on the site above that you mentioned.

If Edward was born in the late 1700's I doubt that he was alive to see the 1901 census and I would only know one person who was related and that would be John .
How do you  find the church records of Church of Ireland. It seems like that is my only choice to get any information.
Maybe the C of I records are stored somewhere else.
What I don't understand is why PRONI couldn't find Edward's marriage.

[aghadowey]

Marriages ususally take place in the bride's church so the ceremony migt not have been Church of Ireland. Unless it was a Catholic cerremony it should appear in the indexes.
I couldn't find the marriage of my great-great-grandparents in the indexes but had been given an exact date and knew where they both lived. For her family there were 2 possible churches (depending on the date her father had switched churches) and when I looked at the actual registers I found the marriage in one of them- her name correct and his with slight variation in spelling which I'd tried but neither in index.
Back to the missing Partridge marriage- have you checked to see if anything was put in the local newspapers announcing the marriage? Announcements at that time would be very brief but should given date and hopefully the place.
Another possibility is that the marriage took place before 1845- which would explain why it wasn't in the index. Edward was certainly old enough but perhaps Jane was older than you think (is her estimated age based on census or death record?).

[aghadowey]

Church of Ireland registers in PRONI are listed here:
www.proni.gov.uk/index/search_the_archives/online_indexes/church_of_ireland_index.htm

Other details listed in RESOURCES.

If the marriage was a non-Catholic ceremony and took place from 1845 onwards it should be listed in civil index-
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=collectionDetails;t=searchable;c=1408347

[Mykin]

I sent away for the marriage cert. of Jane Alderdice but Proni said that they had nothing.

I would like any information possible, especially Jane and John's parents.

Jane Alderdice  born. 1831  Derriaghy
 "            "          died, 25, September, 1906 in Magherlave

Married John Partridge  1850  They were  both Church of Ireland.

John Partridge  b. 1810
                         d. 27, June, 1888
John was a landholder in the townland of Aughalislone. He worked on the Great Northern Railway

They had thirteen children together.

I would like to know the parents names of Jane and John.
or anything else that can be found. Thank you.

Moderator's Comment: merged with previous topic.

[Mykin]

You are saying then that there is nowhere else to find out the parents names?

[aghadowey]

If the marriage had been found in the civil records only the fathers' names would have been listed. Since you are unable to find this marriage (doesn't seem to be in civil index and PRONI unable to find it) it's possible that they never married, that it's either been mis-indexed/not included in the index or that it was a Catholic ceremony (civil registration of Catholic marriages didn't start until 1864).

[akanex2]

Do you know if Jane had any brothers or sisters?  If so, their marriage certificates (or death certificates if by any chance they died in Scotland) could give her father's name.