Looking for Relatives of Richard Napoleon Wyombe Townsend REECE

[judb]

I should have posted this info I received from the Tasmanian researcher which I think has put the Tassie Ellen BEECROFT right out of the picture. 

Apparently Tassie Ellen's English husband is recorded as William (which does not match her stated husband Benjamin ), but there is no indication whether BEECROFT is her married or maiden name.

Ellen BEECROFT married the Thomas LYONS in Tasmania but the researcher cannot find them after their marriage.

As I said to Dianne - this lady was so free and easy with her Christian names perhaps she just used names she knew from Yorkshire    Nothing would surprise me!

Judith

[pocketrocket]

Hello Dianne

Sorry I haven't been back in touch about the family tree - but I will (work pressures). I've had a quick look at the postings about the possible Aboriginal connection and should tell you that my mother-in-law's brother said his mother (Norah alias Kate) said there was Aboriginal blood in the family - but there are no more details (my M-in-L's favourite country by the way is the flat plains around the Darling River - Tilpa, Louth etc) . She also indicated that one of the son's of Richard Napoleon had an Aboriginal wife - I thought I knew which one but she seems to be confusing the brothers.

I think we can rule out Mary Jane Latimer (Richard's wife) as a possible Aboriginal source of DNA. She seems to have a direct British link through various records. Plus my husband had his mitochondrial DNA tested through Oxford Ancestors last year (this was done as an add-on related to testing for a medical issue on his father's side of the family - Chinese). Anyway the test showed he had a direct female line through to Europe - this line is through his mother then grandmother (Kate) then Mary Jane Latimer and her mother and so on. It doesn't say anything about Annie Adelaide or a whole lot of other family connections so the possibilities are still there.

We would be really interested to know where you got your DNA testing done. I'm sure we could talk M-in-L into this as well - could be interesting. 

Cheers
Margaret

Hi there,

I stumbled across this thread.  I was researching a friend's tree and we were looking for an Aboriginal ancestor.   The thing is, I couldn't find anything solid but he does have Mary Jane Latimore/Latimer in the tree. I have her marrying Johann Karthegene who's name ends up as John Halligan.  They married in Waverly.  There is a later marriage of Mary Jane to a Reece and she dies Mary Jane Reece.   Her and John lived at Narrabri, Redfern, Bondi,  etc

Caroline

[outback_thunda]

Hi Caroline,

Which thread??? Couldn't see a link. Yes, Mary died a Reece, Reece is my great grandad. Will chat more soon.

[margaretatwinmalee]

Hello Everyone - just some replies to several postings:

1. To Caroline - you're info about Mary Jane Latimer is correct. I detailed a bit more of her history on Friday 1st January Reply 106 - page 8 or 9 I think.

2. For JM - I'm close to the archives at Kingswood and I could investigate the "Monthly Returns of Attendants and Patients" at the Female Factory Parramatta. It will be a few weeks though before I can do this - I don't have a week day off work for a while.

3. For Dianne and others - I've had a look at the microfiche for the Female Factory Parramatta this week. I've looked up every possible spelling I can think of for Bearcroft/Becroft, Madderah/Mudderah and Steel/Steele etc and I couldn't find anything useful. The microfiche reader is however very old and not too clear and I apologise if I have missed anything, but I did search through it twice. Is there another name I should try? I really don't want to start at the A's and work through on the chance Ellen might be there under yet another name but I will if anyone thinks it might be useful.

From what I could see though the microfiche only covers female convicts. I don't think other women who were at the factory to give birth etc are included so its still possible that Annie Adelaide may have been born there. It's possible that the Monthly Returns that JM has located might be useful.

Sorry I haven't more positive news.
Margaret

[pocketrocket]

Many thanks, I have printed off this thread and will read through all the info.  outback_thunda has also been very helpful.  A few things are falling into place here, cant believe I found you all!  Amazing.

[outback_thunda]

2. For JM - I'm close to the archives at Kingswood and I could investigate the "Monthly Returns of Attendants and Patients" at the Female Factory Parramatta. It will be a few weeks though before I can do this - I don't have a week day off work for a while.

3. For Dianne and others - I've had a look at the microfiche for the Female Factory Parramatta this week. I've looked up every possible spelling I can think of for Bearcroft/Becroft, Madderah/Mudderah and Steel/Steele etc and I couldn't find anything useful. The microfiche reader is however very old and not too clear and I apologise if I have missed anything, but I did search through it twice. Is there another name I should try? I really don't want to start at the A's and work through on the chance Ellen might be there under yet another name but I will if anyone thinks it might be useful.

From what I could see though the microfiche only covers female convicts. I don't think other women who were at the factory to give birth etc are included so its still possible that Annie Adelaide may have been born there. It's possible that the Monthly Returns that JM has located might be useful.

Sorry I haven't more positive news.
Margaret

Hi Margaret,

Umm if you could look at Kingswood it would be appreciated. No rush of course. Also did you look under Mather for the female factory microfische???

UMM ANYWAYS i have to run, will type mpre soon.
hope you are all well.

[pocketrocket]

Hi Margaret,

I have been to Kingswood searching for John Halligan (Khartegene)'s records in the Paramatta Hospital for the Insane.  As he died there in 1900 and there is a 110 year embargo I didn't quite get to see the records.  I wanted to check for 1898 but they wouldnt let me as there was embargoed material on the same film and they didn't have time to do it for me. (so i went back to Armidale with zip.)  Anyway another couple of years have passed and we kjnow that he died there 13 April 1900, so if you had some spare time (never happens in an archives) could you have a look.  There is a film with admissions etc.  He is Burried in the roman catholic section of Rookwood.  You can message me for details of his death, not sure how much we should put here.?  There is a short period between his death and the birth of his son George which to me doesn't quite add up.   Thus I would like to find out when he was admitted to Paramatta. 

I have been researching this for a friend and I tell you it has been an interesting tree and just gets more interesting.   The Indigenous heritage has been avenue of interest throughout.

Cheers,

Caroline

[margaretatwinmalee]

Hello Caroline

I can check on the death record of John Halligan at the Kingswood archives for you. I hadn't followed up on this earlier as he's not in the direct family line I assembled for mother-in-law. She thought that he'd died in Sydney possibly in a rail accident and that it was shortly after the birth of George, but perhaps it was before. Do you happen to have the exact birth date for George?

We didn't know that he was in the Parramatta Hospital for the Insane. This is a bit of a co-incidence as we're looking for Ellen Maddrah/Mather etc at the Parramatta Women's Factory. This institution became the Insane Hospital when the Women's Factory closed (1847 or thereabouts I think).

Anyway I'll add your request to the things to check up on in the archives in a few weeks time.

Margaret

[margaretatwinmalee]

Hello Dianne

I went through all the M's on the Female Factory Microfiche but when it wasn't one of the Maddrah spellings I was looking for a child attached to a convict. I can go back later this week and have another look for Mather. Will also see if I can find out anything more about her when I go to the archives in a few weeks time.

Cheers
Margaret