Looking for Relatives of Richard Napoleon Wyombe Townsend REECE

[townsend13]

Hi Dianne
I have this on the Roles family
Christopher Lewis Roles B 1827 Not Australia
Died 1887- 08530 age 60 yrs Died Glen Innis
May have been married to Elizabeth
No Marriage on BDM
Issue  Florence Roles b 1857  7284
          Christopher M b 1859 6982  D 1903 43 yrs at Parramatta
Then married Harriett No marriage on BDM
Issue Clara Roles b 1876 21882
          Rosetta "       1878  23781
          Alice       "      1880  26518
         Albert L   "      1884  19148

Yes Annie Adelaide married Issac Reece in 1861 2834
they had Jacob S b 1862  13377
              Flora B 1863  13447 d 1864
Annie died in 1893 at Deepwater as far as I know.

Jocob S Reece  m Francis collins 1883  19390- Step or half brother to William h Townsend
 issue  Margret Orcella  B 1883  19390
           William w  B 1885  21647
           Francis A   B 1887  23109
           Dorothy W B 1898   01542
          Matilda       B 1890  07050
          James S      B1892  07032
          Fredrick J    B 1893 07101
          Emily E       B 1895  20662
          George H   B 1901  20272
          Charles H  B 1901  20273 twins
          Ivan E       B 1904  10477
         Ernie Reece died August or Septmber 1948 Lived at 21 Griffen Ave Tamworth
I am the youngest of thirteen children both my parent past away a long time ago.
       I have to go now will send our 13 soon ok
Leonie         

[outback_thunda]

Hi there Leonie, It might help to know that Whycombe napoleon was actually born Richard Wycombe Napoleon Townsend. That is as recorded on the birth certificate so I guess its been recorded wrong elsewhere.

As I too found the error.

[judb]

Hi Dianne - glad you got the papers.  Please let me know if you ever have contact with the Bingara descendants.

Doesn't Annie look like her mother?  She shows no Aboriginal physical characteristcs at all (nor her mother either) but one can't go on that of course.  (you may be able to post the photos of Annie and Ellen)

Annie used her mpther's married name at her first marriage which seems to indicate that Ellen/Helen/etc may not have been in a legal relationship at the time.  We seem to have no iindication that Benjamin MADDRAH, who we assume to have been Ellen's husband, ever came to Australia.

Good luck with the search

Judith

[townsend13]

Blimey don't know what I just did but lost what I had LOL
(*)
Now I have to get the details of everyones kids I never bothered to much before now. Can tell you that IN our family there is schizophrania ( Cant spell ) Hashimotos, heart dease and celiacs. God help us all and asthma is pretty prevalent.
I do love most of my family but a couple I dont.
There is conections to Bingara, Glenn Innis and Deepwater so check them areas out if you wish.


 Gotta go so talk to ya later
Leonie

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[outback_thunda]

Hi Judith and Everyone else....Id be here all day If I wrote all the names. Leonie I sent off a personal Message to you Did you get it?

Judith, As you say neither Annie or her mother show signs of being aboriginal but I am... I had a DNA, blood test done and I have an irregular percentage which is an indication of this.Fact: MY mother is 25 % aboriginal, so i should have 12.5% but I don't.... I have 15.625% which indicates that my mother and my father both have aboriginal blood in them. My mother is confirmed as 25%.  LOL
anyways my point. My paternal grandmother has no aboriginal blood in her and as for my grandfather well it has to be him because there is no other person of course only way of proving that is getting DNA which since he has been passed for well over 40 years isnt too likely.LOL
So, maybe there is some truth in it.. If I calculate that my father is 6.25% then his father is 12.5% and his father is 25% then that make WHycombe bla bla bla.im over writing his name is 50% and Annie Adelaide 100%.......UMMM SORRY not likely.hahaha   but maybe we are hearing this all wrong..Is it her first husband that was part aboriginal or was it infact Willam Twonsend who was part aboriginal. i guess we will never know. anyway Jusith I will be getting in contact with some societies soon. I have been so busy with my little one starting KINDY I miss her..SHHH dont tell anyone.


As for Ellen and her Husband Benjamin. It is my indication that Benjamin Maddrah never came to Australia, that he remarriedafter Ellen left and Married Matilda somweone... People eaarlier were assuming this to be Benjamins Father but the ages and the census records show that he is indeed the same person who married ellen bearcroft. Also have in my possession a divorce record.....As of today. This states that Benjamin Maddrah divorced Ellen due to her being Sentenced for Larceny. Ok does that help? Thats really all it sais. So after reading that I guess she is Ellen Bearcroft the convict.. No record of any of them and what were there last names? As noted earlier there was that adelaide anne or similar which Judith you mentioned you couldnt find anything but other than that we have nothing there.

Alrighty well i had better go so will chat again later.

Bye for now

[outback_thunda]

OKKKKKK

I may have something new. Apparently a common mis spelling for MADDRAH/MADRA is MATHER..

I have discovered an Ellen Mather from Yorkshire..same county a convict transported to Australia for Larceny. She is married and there are no other Mather or similar covicts of this nature.

http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/searchform.aspx?Table=Index+to+Certificates+of+Freedom&Surname=mather&First=ellen%25&Page=

if you go to BDM and search for ellen maddrah born 1813 then click on immigration it has 3 listings for her.

Maybe this is something

the reason i note this may be something is that she isnt listed anywhere on the 1841 census records for the UK.... maybe im barking up the wrong tree but its a thought

[outback_thunda]

I can not find benjamin on the 1841 census records either....so maybe they both missed that one

[majm]

Ellen Mather

Tried at York on 14  October 1839, sentence 7 years transportation , Larceny, before convicted of Felony. She was aged 24...
Arrived 23 March 1840 on the Surry/Surrey.   Not sighted any mention of her marital status, nor if any children came with her.

Noticing that there's an earlier trial for same name and same age, again at York ... sentence imprisonment... trial was 5 July 1839, for larceny,  so there may be two women of that name and age in York.  

I'm not sure though that either of those lasses were married women .... perhaps they were, perhaps both trials refer to the one lass, perhaps that lass was your missing lass ....

Cheers,  JM

[outback_thunda]

Hi Just Moi,

Havent hear from you in ages. How are you? Well So you dont have to hand feed through the posts. Earlier there is an Ellen Bearcroft matching the same maiden name and age came to Australia as a convict in 1852. Ellen Maddrah possibly Mather came to Australia in 1840 ish. Correct me there. umm now there is no mention of ellen Maddrah in census records for 1841 but there is for an Ellen Bearcroft. It is of our understanding that Annie Adelaide Maddrah(her daughter) was born here in Australia in 1841/1842. In saying that then this woman would had to of been here in Australia. Although some other information states she arrived in 1852 how do we work that out I wonder.hmmmmmm

So many different things dont add up. Ellen Bearcroft had 4 children none of which there is any record for.

Ellen Bearcroft was MARRIED but had no children which seems accurate in 1839. She was married in 1839 in the same shire. JUST MOI one of those entries on Ancestry states she is married. it has M under the marriage column.

ANyone who might be able to help please feel free to hop in.

Di