Looking for Relatives of Richard Napoleon Wyombe Townsend REECE

[outback_thunda]

Just Moi,

Thanks for trying to help. Benjamin Maddrah is Annie's dad and he remarried after ellen to matilda in 1850....well that what i can gather.


Yes, thi sextended family is really interesting

[outback_thunda]

Hi jud,

Thanyou for taking an interest in all of this. greatly appreciated.. I have the crtificate in question. I will find it later and transcribe for you,although I believe we have covered all bases.But another perspective may help.

I believe if you look on ancestry.com.au, i typed in simply just MADDRAH and came up with benjamin. if you look under marriages etc it has benjamin maddrah death 1853.
In 1850 it has a marriage for Benjamin to Matilda.  SO I assume he remarried, same/approximate DOB.

As for a divorce from Isaac.No, i cant find one. i do have that his death was 1919. On BDM it only has 1919 and fathers name Isaac which matches, no mother identified on BDM.Thus if he died this late, then I dont understand why there is no divorce record.hmmmm
No, nowhere can I find a birth or shipping record for ellen or annie....WAs Annie born at the female factory As someone mentioned earlier?? Shouldn't there be a record though?

[majm]

Hi,

There's something amiss... I can see several possibilities...  So I'll try to explain:

If the Benjamin Maddrah with Matilda in Yorkshire in 1851 was Annie's father (as opposed to her grandfather), then he must have returned to England after Annie's birth in Parramatta NSW in about 1842.  Or perhaps Annie was not born in NSW, but arrived here later...  as a single lass - assisted immigration scheme or perhaps with family or any number of possibilities...  

If the 1851  Benjamin Maddrah with Matilda in Yorkshire was Annie's grandfather, (as opposed to her father), then that would support the info in the marriage MADDRAH = BEECROFT in 1839... and it would also throw up the possibilities that Benjamin and Ellen Maddrah (nee Beecroft) had migrated ....    

Free BMD (UK) has this marriage, Jun qr 1839, registered at York.  Vol 23 p619
Benjamin MADDRAH, and on the same page Ellen BEECROFT
Another site of extracted registrations for England and Wales shows the marriage:
Benjamin MADDRAH (father Benjamin MADDRAH) to Ellen BEECROFT (father John BEECROFT) 23 Apr, 1839 at York. It may have been at St Maurice church.
Cheers, Judith

I'm still looking  

[outback_thunda]

Just Moi

There is also the possibility that Ellen came to Australia whilst she was pregnant with annie and left mr benjamin back in England???

[majm]

Of course, that's another possibility...  there's others too...

I just did not want to overlook Benjamin MADDRAH, a father and his son both with same name... 

I've been looking through the NSW State Records Immigration indexes online... as yet I haven't found any "likely" migrants. 

Must admit,  I haven't gone through the ferguson newspapers which are online, basically because they are not keyword searchable...  Of course there's the beta version of OZ newspapers which are keyword searchable... http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home but I've not found MADDRAH mentioned there.

Here's the link for the ferguson collection of newspapers... http://www.nla.gov.au/ferg/search.html  Perhaps The Maitland mercury and Hunter River general advertiser would be a good one to read through, it has news all around NSW, not just the immediate area around Maitland. and the issues start in 1843 ....


Cheers,

JM

[outback_thunda]

i will have a look through that one thanks.I just dont get how is it possible that a person can basically never be born???

[majm]

i will have a look through that one thanks.I just dont get how is it possible that a person can basically never be born???

Well, in NSW until around 1856 or a little later, it was not compulsory for births to be registered...  Many of the baptismal records survived, and most of those you find indexed online.  The clue is that their reference number starts with "V" So pre 1856 ish, you only find baptismal records, rather than an actual birth registration. 

If you can get to the NSW State Library, they have film records for the parish births (and marriages/deaths) from first settlement, and of course there's the newspapers from as early as 1803. 

England's civil registration for births start from around 1837, so NSW was not too far behind.   

Cheers,

JM

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hi all again, this might sound silly but how can someone come from england to australia and there be no record??

[PrueM]

hi all again, this might sound silly but how can someone come from england to australia and there be no record??

Depends how and when they came out.  Apart from the convicts (who were generally very well documented) there were assisted and unassisted immigrants. 

Assisted immigrants had applied for and been granted some form of government assistance to come out and settle in Australia.  Therefore the government kept records of these people and ensured that things like passenger lists were completed and lodged etc.  That's not to say that the records have all survived to the present day.

Unassisted immigrants  usually just bought a ticket and came here with little or no government intervention.  It was up to the shipping companies to keep whatever records they wanted to and often there is no record of the people who arrived in steerage (i.e. the economy passengers!).  Again, lists that were kept may not have made it through the subsequent 150 years or so.

This is a very simplified run-down, but you can see that it can be hit and miss who is documented and who isn't.

Cheers
Prue