St Clares Park Sandymount Dublin

[shanew147]

I wonder when Claremont Park was built... and if it was called anything else in the 1920s?

it's just off Claremont Road and does not exist in the 1880s, nor does it seem to be included on the 1911 census - see streets in Pembroke East DED


Shane

[nicknobbyclark]

Yes I did actually have a walk down there but all seem to be built circa 1950? Maybe a local history group may have something regarding the origins of Claremont Park?

Cheers

Nick

[shanew147]

I intrigued by this postcard and wonder if this Mr. Killeen might be a clue... maybe he might appear in a directory or similar ..

does the postcard address just have 4 St. Clare's Park, Sandymount, Dublin ?

If so I would think that including Sandymount in a postal address narrows it down to quite a small area..


Shane

[nicknobbyclark]

Shane

Yes the postcard just has Bernard Killeen, 4 St Clare's Park, Sandymount. There seems to be an attempt at writing the address elsewhere on the card but this has been scribbled out.

The postcard is a photograph of a what we believe to be  some or all of the Killeen brothers (my great uncles).

Cheers

Nick

PS Found your Dublin City 1912 map to be of great help!

[nicknobbyclark]

Just an update and perhaps something of a development:

I searched the Dublin City Library & Archive Electoral Lists (1939-40) for the name Bernard Killeen and came up with 4 Seafort Gardens, Sandymount. More surprisingly other Killeen names form my 1911 census records also appeared

Daniel Killeen - Great Grandfather
William Killeen - Great Uncle
John Killeen - Great Uncle
Bernard Killeen - Possible Great Uncle and name from the post card addressed to 4 St Clares Park
Ellen Killeen  - Possible Great Aunt

Interesting in that the house number is also number 4  leading me to believe this was the Killeen family home and at one time it may have been 4 St Clares Park, Sandymount. So it's possible that my Grandfather James H Clark and Grandmother Mary Clark (Killeen) have been living at this address when my father was born?

Any thoughts or ideas on where to go next are always welcome

Nick Clark

[shanew147]

that sounds very possible to me..

I looked at Thom's 1927 and Seafort gardens is there at that stage but the numbering is different, whcih suggests that there were several changes over the years :

1927

 Seafort Avenue (from Sandymount Green to Strand Rd)

 nos 1 to 11 (odd numbers only), 2 shops, the others are houses
 15-25 labelled 'Seafort Terrace'
 
 jct with Wilsons Place

 27-41 and 2,4,6 & 48
 
 Here is Seafort Villas

 Nos 10-40

 Seafort Avenue West (off Seafort Avenue)

 section 1 nos 1-9 (odd) labeled  Dromard Ave
 sct 2 nos 2-22 (even) labeled  Dromard Terrace
 sct 3 nos 25-28 (all) labeled  Seafort Gardens

no Killeens that I see anywhere on the two Seafort Ave's but here's a list of the surnames at the Gardens section :

  Green, Kaye, Bell, Dolan, Murphy, Brazil
  Duff, OConnor-Kavanagh, Carroll
  Treacy, Connell, O'Keffe, Sexton

I'll work backwards and forwards from this and see what turns up..


Shane

[shanew147]

Note - I tried to attached the comparison map mentioned below, but get an 'upload folder full - error".. not sure why as the image is only 110k... I'll try again later. done

See below for details of maps for the area around Seafort and Sandymount village in the 1930s and early 40s. The major change seems to be the addition of the new section of the Beach Road along the coast to the north of Sandymount towards Irishtown, presumably on reclaimed land. This probably resulted in new building work from the end of Seafort Ave West, which seems to have included Seafort Gardens.

I've been trying to link up the details from the census,Thom's directory listings and the '39 registers to see if I can figure out what happened to Seaford Gardens .. but it's proving a little difficult at the moment as the Seafort Gardens section of Seafort Ave. West is not included in the 1938 Thoms listing. I do know that sometimes the locally known street names and the official name (as used by the register) could be out of step, and am hoping that section will show up as part of another street.

Just to confuse things a little more Seafort Ave West is now known as the name used by just part of the road - i.e. Dromard Terrace (google map link)  You can also see a birds eye view of the road on multimap


Shane

[shanew147]

I've now added the image to the previous post


Shane

[nicknobbyclark]

Shane

Thanks for posting the maps

With so many changes around this area during 1930 to 1940, the results in Thoms 1927, and details the Killeen's on the Electoral Lists. it does make you think that another address (perhaps 4 St Clares Park) may have been there.

Do you have Thoms 1924? If so does 4 Seafort Gardens appear in this volume?

With regard to my other Clark/Killeen link, would you happen to have an early map of the Beggar's Bush barracks area showing 3 O'Briens Place around 1900 period?

Thanks again for your help

Nick