Helen Janet and Rebecca Robertson 1851 Census

[MonicaL]

There is another possibility perhaps for Janet in 1851 but, as with the other Janet you have found, age is a few years out:

Jane McLerie 60, grocer b. Kilbarchan, Renfrew
Janet Robertson 12, grocer's assistant b. Paisley

Address: 39 Ferguslie, Paisley Abbey

Monica

[Rae33]

Hello Monica

Thanks so much for your prompt reply. High Street is in the general area where the Robertsons were living, so it well may be that Janet was placed with the Morn family as a power loom weaver.  The Robertson family were all working as weavers and dressmakers etc.
The name Jane McLerie doesn't ring any bells as being a family member though of course she may have been an old family friend who took Janet in.

Thanks again for your help.

Cheers....Rae

[Ann Baker]

Hi Rae

can we kind of whoa a wee bit! Some of this have already looked at. Have you sorted out getting gedcom yet from me? I think that would help.

Paisley High St isn't where they lived most of time have to be honest and not around that time. They did gravitate that way but was later on (very late 1800s/early 1900s). They were mainly west end Paisley and High St tho not far away isnt west end.


I have exam coming up soon so time is limited but please try and get ged com sorted cos I think might answer some of your questions. I haven't given up on them lol just time I have not a lot of at mo.

Gimme buzz in pm when you have.

Best wishes
Ann

[Rae33]

Hi Ann

I thought 74 High Street would be near the university, and not too far from Castle Street where Wm and Alexander were living in 1851 and 116 George Street where the two girls Helen and Rebecca were living with their grandmother Agness Groset - though I suppose George Street is a very long street.

I confirmed that Wm and Elizabeth Grozet's daughters Helen and Rebecca moved to Glasgow Lanark by 1855 and they were indeed the two girls I had found who gave Elizabeth's maiden name as Fraser on their marriage records. I eventually got Helen's third marriage record to James Harper and joy and relief she showed her mother's maiden name as Grosset.

Sorry I haven't got Gedcom as yet - I struggle with the computer and new programmes and really don't have anyone to help much.  Will be busy for the next couple of weeks with visitors, but will let you know if I work the Gedcom out.


Cheers......Rae

[Ann Baker]

Hi Rae

University is on High St and no 74 is close BUT Castle St isnt adjacent - it's about 10 minute walk away westwards. George St has changed loads over years. It runs basically along the back of uni right up to end of Castle St. Best way to look at it is to spilt Paisley into 4 - they were west. Weavers generally didn;t mix with folks from other quarters.

I have a map which I will get scanned and send to you cos think that would help in terms of plotting where things are. Lol easy for me cos I can see it in minds eye but then I grew up round there so here goes with my best description.......

Best way to explain is on High St standing outside museum (with buliding behind you). Uni is directly across road. If you go left a wee bit (about 100 yards) is top of Storie St (where Robertsons also lived).

Go down to bottom Storie St and that's George St. Uni Campus stretches to there. Turn right bottom Storie St and where George St used to have a thru road to Canal St (cut off now by a pavement) by some high rise flats first right is Castle St. (The high rises obviously wouldn't have been there then it was all tenements they pulled down).

The other way of getting there from High St using museum as marker is to turn right and walk along til you get to Wellmeadow then turn left  at the Wellmeadow clock.

I must send you map makes it much easier!

Re Gedcom - do you use any family history software? They all accept gedcom files. I use Family Tree Maker but the file I create is acceptable for any FH package. Or alternatively PAF file? or worst case I print it all and send snail mail.

Must be off to zzz land now . Exam 26th so after that will have a couple of weeks breathing space before next one.

Oh and I found out today that Chelsea Pensioner records coming to Find My Past - exciting cos one of the Williams (the one who married the Ewart) was a CP!
Might even get a record there!


Speak soon

Tc

Ann xx

[callum]

Hi guys, I now have  a cat to throw into the pigeons. I have a Thomas Grossert who sometimes calls himself Fraser being married and having children in Abbey Paisley during the early 1840's right through till the mid 1850's when he moves to Neilston and has a couple of more kids. This seems to be a link here, with your Elizabeth Grossert if she at times uses the Fraser surname. Being in Australia I have only been able to do so much but I have Thomas Grossert/fraser married to Margaret Guthrie Brown and have four children then marrying Ann Donald and having another six or so. His daughters are Margaret, Christina, Agnes, Ann and Walker Fraser (yes a girl) sons are Robert, Alexander, John and William. I can not find any trace of him or of the boys. The girls either married or were put into Riccastbar Asylum (sadly), Walker lived to ripe old age, Agnes was ,my ggrandmother (and obviously a bit of wag). She has one son who I can't trace, Angus Alexander Fraser Weir born in the early 1890's. Have you come across any link to this family group at all.
Raylene

[Rae33]

Hello Raylene
I have been going to contact you as I have read your posts on Genforum with great interest - I've been searching for Grozet/Grosarts for years - and only recently came across my Robertson girls giving Fraser instead of Groset as their mother's maiden name.  Groset was sometimes spelt Groser so thought maybe it was an error when entering the names in the records.  I had three marriage and two death records giving the name Fraser (Helen was married three times) and decided they weren't our girls after I found them living with their grandmother Agness Groset in 1851.  However, desperation drove me to get Helen's last marriage record, and joy and relief, she named her mother as Elizabeth Grosset.
Alexander Groset and Agnes Stacks would certainly fit the naming pattern as parents of our Elizabeth Groset - she may have been their eldest child - and I wonder if the Agness Groset on the 1841 and 1851 is indeed Agnes Stacks.  I haven't found anything yet to prove this.  I haven't found any further record of Agness Groset after 1851, and Helen Robertson moved to Hutchesontown Glasgow between 1851 and 1855 when she married Mathew McDougall.  They had three children who did not survive infancy, and I presume Mathew died as Helen married a widower Peter Steel in 1862 and they had four children.  Peter died in 1870 before their son was born and Helen married another widower James Harper in 1878.
Rebecca married Alexander Crawford in 1862 Hutchesontown Glasgow and they had six children that I know of, one daughter was named Annie Fraser Crawford so they certainly believed they had a Fraser connection.  I wonder if Agness Stacks called herself Annie Fraser?  So many possibilities.
Both girls lived in Reidvale Street, Helen at 163 in 1878 and Rebecca at 207 in 1897 when Annie was married.
Sorry I can't throw any light on your mysteries, but I am working on the Grosets and will let you know any results I get.

Regards....Rae

[callum]

You  have made my day. I have my Agnes Weir Daughter of Thomas Grosset/Fraser living in Reidvale street on the 1901 census. You have made my day. Oh my gosh, maybe we have cracked the grosset mystery. Could you please email me privately on
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Can't believe I have finally found a connection. I really thought they must have dropped off the planet.
Raylene

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[Rae33]

Hello Raylene
Did you receive my email sent 15th January.

Regards....Rae